The reason i mentioned trying the XTP's again is i am in the same boat with the .250 DC and the 300 gr DC. in the past the .250 DC's have shot excellent in the Triumph. i tried the 300 gr DC and i am not happy with the groups i am getting. i am driving the 300 gr DC'S hard with 110 gr BH 209 to boot. so i will go back out and try the .250 and see what happens. if there not grouping, that would leave me to believe it's the scope or mounting of the scope. i checked the mounting and everything is tight.it's a 3-9 nikon buck master scope none of my nikons have ever given me a problem in the past.. darn rifles lol... Ray

Semisane - I've never been able to get 300g Deep Curls to shoot as well in my 700ML as most other bullets. In fact, the DC might be the worse shooting bullet I've shot out of it. I can get about 2 1/2 inches at 100 and that's about it. Where I hunt, that's plenty acceptable, but no where near what I would prefer.

Try some Hornady FPBs in it if you can. I've had great luck with them in every gun I've shot them out of. My 700 will shoot those more accuratly than any other bullet I've shot out of it I believe.

That's interesting Builder. Maybe I'm defaming the scope when the real problem is the gun does not like Deep Curls. But the thing is - look at that 75 yard target (#11) and the first 100 yard target (#12). They really weren't doing that bad. Even the 95 grain load on target #13 wasn't awful. It wasn't until I jumped the load up to 115 grains that things went to hell after that. That's why I concluded it's a scope problem.

Thanks for the suggestion TN. I've got some FPBs in the bullet bag and will give them a try. But that will be just for giggles and grins because I'm going to hunt with Deep Curls if I can get them to shoot. Two and a half at 100 would be acceptable. But I'd really like two inches or less.

Semi

Which sabot are you shooting with the 300 Deep Curls? Have you tried the other brand? I am not much on sabots making a lot of difference but other people are...

One other thought... could it be a problem with the barrel fit in the stock channel? I know I fought that one a little bit with one of my Remingtons. Is the barrel floating or does it ride in the barrel channel.

When Remington first started building the 700 the 24" version they fit the barreled action to the stock. The later version (the 26"0 were not fitted. I think they were trying for the floating thought but not did or were. I did throw a shim in the front lug pocket to lift and float the barrel to check that for sure. Once I had that I then went back and sanded the barrel channel.

I would do the XTP comparison, if it isn't the scope you might try 100 gr 777 powder pushing the 300 gr bullets and work up. as SABOTLOADER mentioned, they need to be pushed hard to get accuracy. just a thought. Ray

After reading your opening statement,i would start at 105 gr of 777 and work up from there. your 1 1/2 groups at 100 yds are great lol. maybe it's the powder!now mind you i am not dissing goex ok! Ray

I used Harvester's Long Black sabots with the 300 grainers Sabotloader, and the Short Blacks with the 250s. I pretty much use Harvesters exclusively.

This gun has the 24" barrel and it's really snug in the stock.

Thou dare not, Sir!

Might try the short black with the 300's also. A lot of people believe them to be the better Harvester sabot. I use as you already know the HPH-24 and i really could not complain a hole lot about accuracy with the 300, although I could not find any targets using that bullet from one of my Remingtons.

Great! i consider that the better fitting Remington... I have faith you will work it out just fine...

I've got a secret...

Ain't nothing wrong with XTPs on deer...

I know ya'll know that......

There's no doubt that a cooler barrel will shoot better. Not only does cooler weather promote barrel cooling, but so do thicker barrels. They don't rob as much heat from the exploding powder that should instead be harnessed to launch the projectile.
Any barrel that's not a heavyweight that is being used for firing heavy powder charges needs maximum time for cooling between shots for best accuracy.
Black powder guns develop a lot of heat. When the barrel heats up it's robbing the gun's accuracy. It's as simple as that.
That's one of the reasons why the most accurate chunk gun BP rifles have such thick barrels.
They don't heat up as rapidly and will stay cooler for a longer period of time, especially in proportion to the size of the powder charges.
More powder produces more barrel heat which means more time needs to be allowed for cooling between shots.
That could have also been a factor back in January.
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