Powder Question
04-10-2011 | 08:06 PM
#21
Giant Nontypical
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Now this is not a scientific test. But I had a jug of Pyrodex RS that was over five years old. It was one (unopened) that I had put on a back shelf in a bag with the receipt. So I knew the date I purchased it. When I found it, the price sticker on the lid kind of gave it away too. I am one of these that keep buying stuff on sale. Since then I have learned to rotate my stock.
When I shot that old Pyrodex RS it shot to the same place on the target as a new jug. Whether it lost some fps I can not say as I never owned a chronograph in my life. I used up that old jug just like I would have a new one.
Another powder that I had a long time was Clean Shot. I had purchased what was left of a case of it when a store went out of business. Before I shot off the last jug it had to be over five years old. It went bag every time and seemed accurate at close ranges out of my traditional rifles. Actually it was a fun powder to shoot. I believe that later turned into American Pioneer Powder Company.
When I shot that old Pyrodex RS it shot to the same place on the target as a new jug. Whether it lost some fps I can not say as I never owned a chronograph in my life. I used up that old jug just like I would have a new one.
Another powder that I had a long time was Clean Shot. I had purchased what was left of a case of it when a store went out of business. Before I shot off the last jug it had to be over five years old. It went bag every time and seemed accurate at close ranges out of my traditional rifles. Actually it was a fun powder to shoot. I believe that later turned into American Pioneer Powder Company.
04-11-2011 | 06:51 AM
#22
Typical Buck
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From: NE Louisiana
I believe the key with ANY powder whether that be Goex, Pyro, 777, BH209, Smokeless, etc. is how you store it. You read any lable of powder and they say a dry cool place. If you make sure the cap is on tight, out of sunlight, dry air, and not in super hot enviro. You will be ok. I just think alot of people are careless with powder.
04-11-2011 | 06:57 AM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
Now this is not a scientific test. But I had a jug of Pyrodex RS that was over five years old. It was one (unopened) that I had put on a back shelf in a bag with the receipt. So I knew the date I purchased it. When I found it, the price sticker on the lid kind of gave it away too. I am one of these that keep buying stuff on sale. Since then I have learned to rotate my stock.
When I shot that old Pyrodex RS it shot to the same place on the target as a new jug. Whether it lost some fps I can not say as I never owned a chronograph in my life. I used up that old jug just like I would have a new one.
Another powder that I had a long time was Clean Shot. I had purchased what was left of a case of it when a store went out of business. Before I shot off the last jug it had to be over five years old. It went bag every time and seemed accurate at close ranges out of my traditional rifles. Actually it was a fun powder to shoot. I believe that later turned into American Pioneer Powder Company.
When I shot that old Pyrodex RS it shot to the same place on the target as a new jug. Whether it lost some fps I can not say as I never owned a chronograph in my life. I used up that old jug just like I would have a new one.
Another powder that I had a long time was Clean Shot. I had purchased what was left of a case of it when a store went out of business. Before I shot off the last jug it had to be over five years old. It went bag every time and seemed accurate at close ranges out of my traditional rifles. Actually it was a fun powder to shoot. I believe that later turned into American Pioneer Powder Company.
04-11-2011 | 07:23 AM
#24
Giant Nontypical
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From: Colorado
I doubt you ever tested it with a chronograph.
POI is depending on the guy pulling the trigger. Hardly an accurate test.
Way too many complaining the powder loses power after the bottle is opened. Backed up with accurate testing.
There's much better powders than Crapodex.
POI is depending on the guy pulling the trigger. Hardly an accurate test.
Way too many complaining the powder loses power after the bottle is opened. Backed up with accurate testing.
There's much better powders than Crapodex.
04-11-2011 | 07:30 AM
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Dominant Buck
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As I said, I was not shooting long distance so if it had lost fps there would be little effect on the accuracy. But that old Pyrodex shot just fine. And that Clean Shot I purchased, even though that was old I shot roundball off with it out of a couple rifles and it was amazing to see how accurate it was. I was almost sad when it was finally all shot off. One reason I purchased APP after that. Strange thing is, the APP did not shoot as well as the Clean Shot. The only powder I found that worked as good was Pinnacle. That is a good powder.
04-11-2011 | 07:50 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Colorado
As I said, I was not shooting long distance so if it had lost fps there would be little effect on the accuracy. But that old Pyrodex shot just fine. And that Clean Shot I purchased, even though that was old I shot roundball off with it out of a couple rifles and it was amazing to see how accurate it was. I was almost sad when it was finally all shot off. One reason I purchased APP after that. Strange thing is, the APP did not shoot as well as the Clean Shot. The only powder I found that worked as good was Pinnacle. That is a good powder.
I've heard from some CAS members that APP is the same as the old Clean Shot, but others say Clean Shot was better. So, who knows?
To be honest. I think Swiss BP is the most consistent best shooting powder I can buy. It also seems to have close to the same power as T7. It stinks and is messy like all BP, but I love the stuff.
I'm very tempted to use it in my Omega too. I like BH 209, but don't like that it won't clean up with water.
04-11-2011 | 08:03 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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I doubt you ever tested it with a chronograph.
POI is depending on the guy pulling the trigger. Hardly an accurate test.
Way too many complaining the powder loses power after the bottle is opened. Backed up with accurate testing.
There's much better powders than Crapodex.
POI is depending on the guy pulling the trigger. Hardly an accurate test.
Way too many complaining the powder loses power after the bottle is opened. Backed up with accurate testing.
There's much better powders than Crapodex.
04-11-2011 | 08:08 AM
#28
Giant Nontypical
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From: Colorado
Honestly, you are the only person I've ever heard make this claim. It's not that I'm doubting you, just that I've never heard it before. That being said, I also don't own a chronograph, and honestly, I don't care if it looses a few fps as long as it shoots to the same spot and accurately.
How can I be the only person when I posted what Toby Bridges said in his test? Read it and you'll see he also said it's a common complaint.
04-11-2011 | 08:10 AM
#29
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If you can't find it. Here it is again.
Modern black powder substitutes have come a long ways since Dan Pawlak, of Issiquah, Washington first formulated the earliest form of Pyrodex back in the early to mid 1970s. During the late 1980s, I conducted a "shelf life" test with Pyrodex "RS"...and in the course of 6 months, from October 1 to April 1, I found that a 100 grain charge of the powder, behind a saboted 260-grain Speer .451" JHP lost more than 100 f.p.s. (shot from a 24" barreled Knight MK-85). And by the end of that summer, velocity was down nearly 300 f.p.s. from the velocities I had gotten when I first shot out of that canister of powder a year earlier. And that was a very common complaint with Pyrodex. Once the seal was broken, the powder lost its oomph. Powder used one season could not be used the following season...Toby Bridges
Modern black powder substitutes have come a long ways since Dan Pawlak, of Issiquah, Washington first formulated the earliest form of Pyrodex back in the early to mid 1970s. During the late 1980s, I conducted a "shelf life" test with Pyrodex "RS"...and in the course of 6 months, from October 1 to April 1, I found that a 100 grain charge of the powder, behind a saboted 260-grain Speer .451" JHP lost more than 100 f.p.s. (shot from a 24" barreled Knight MK-85). And by the end of that summer, velocity was down nearly 300 f.p.s. from the velocities I had gotten when I first shot out of that canister of powder a year earlier. And that was a very common complaint with Pyrodex. Once the seal was broken, the powder lost its oomph. Powder used one season could not be used the following season...Toby Bridges
04-11-2011 | 02:28 PM
#30
Nontypical Buck
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
Honestly, you are the only person I've ever heard make this claim. It's not that I'm doubting you, just that I've never heard it before. That being said, I also don't own a chronograph, and honestly, I don't care if it looses a few fps as long as it shoots to the same spot and accurately.