Knight Rifles does it first.
04-04-2011, 04:07 PM
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I believe in the near future they are also going to up grade the red plastic jacket plugs as well.
04-04-2011, 04:10 PM
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04-04-2011, 04:12 PM
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04-04-2011, 04:33 PM
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BTW its not that you promote a product and it never was. Its the unwavering bias you display here because of freebies/compensation and with all your "ad like" photos and "Infomercial type" videos. Statements like "A CVA will do anything a White or Knight will do" is ridiculous. Even i wouldn't say my Knights would compete in EVERY way with a White. They might compete well but not quite as well if you want to shoot huge conicals in 45 or 50cal.
Even i will recommend a CVA if that is what the OP wants. Ive never said get a Knight instead if the OP ONLY wanted opinions on which CVA to buy. I like the new Optima best in their lineup actually or if they offered a 45cal Wolf i would likely buy one in a blink.
I cant say ive seen you break from tradition and recommend another brand over a CVA or favor another brand over any CVA product. You even tried/trying to sell the Lyman Great Plains rifle even though its is superior over the Mountain stalker in quality. I know its hard when Dudley sent you atleast two CVAs for free according to your own words.
Please correct me or prove my statement wrong and i will recant it.
BTW its not that you promote a product and it never was. Its the unwavering bias you display here because of freebies/compensation and with all your "ad like" photos and "Infomercial type" videos. Statements like "A CVA will do anything a White or Knight will do" is ridiculous. Even i wouldn't say my Knights would compete in EVERY way with a White. They might compete well but not quite as well if you want to shoot huge conicals in 45 or 50cal.
Even i will recommend a CVA if that is what the OP wants. Ive never said get a Knight instead if the OP ONLY wanted opinions on which CVA to buy. I like the new Optima best in their lineup actually or if they offered a 45cal Wolf i would likely buy one in a blink.
I cant say ive seen you break from tradition and recommend another brand over a CVA or favor another brand over any CVA product. You even tried/trying to sell the Lyman Great Plains rifle even though its is superior over the Mountain stalker in quality. I know its hard when Dudley sent you atleast two CVAs for free according to your own words.
Please correct me or prove my statement wrong and i will recant it.
I sold my great plains rifle so i could put in for the NM deer season
My Mountain Stalker is up for sale now actually mainly to help me out with buying some new camo clothing.
Knight can send me a rifle for free, i'll give them or any other rifle company a complete and honest review of the rifle and shoot the heck out of it.
CVA also gave me a range rod, but i prefer Tom's range rod as you can see it in most of my videos and pictures LOL.
04-04-2011, 05:29 PM
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So................how come you didn't give my breech plug a 'complete and honest review'? As i recall you stood on 2 statements. One was, 'the primer pocket was too deep'. This was and is false. The second was 'it wouldn't thread into your barrel'. This obviously was false, otherwise you couldn't have collected data to make the first false statement. Shame on you!
04-04-2011, 05:47 PM
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So................how come you didn't give my breech plug a 'complete and honest review'? As i recall you stood on 2 statements. One was, 'the primer pocket was too deep'. This was and is false. The second was 'it wouldn't thread into your barrel'. This obviously was false, otherwise you couldn't have collected data to make the first false statement. Shame on you!
And even though it was horrible to screw into the barrel, i still shot it to test it out.
Adjusting your head spacing correctly of course fixes the mess. The added length you do is always a good idea as its well know that cva leaves looser clearances to allow for longer primers like the W209.
See how much that firing pin bushing is backed out? Theres no telling how much adjustment a persons rifle needs without actually having it there to take measurements and get the perfect fit.
04-04-2011, 06:12 PM
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I stand by my statement that my CVA will do everything a knight or white can do.
I guess if you could tolerate some recoil with heavy 460gr+ conicals you might find out......someday.
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04-04-2011, 06:16 PM
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If you can believe RW
The Savage came out 4-6 years before BH209 BTW. Savage offered a "BP only" version the same year BH209 came out IIRC too. They were the first to have BH209 in the load data also. Just pull up the MLII-BP pdf file on the Savage website. Ive never seen it listed in any other companies load data but i haven't seen all of them.
Why in a Savage?...because BH209 is basically a smokeless powder and no other ML barrel was tested to over 100k psi. Every Savage barrel is test fired and tested so it makes perfect sense for safety reasons.
Still, if this was a few years ago, personally I’d find the lack of smokeless capability in the 10ML-BP more of a negative than I do today. The difference is the introduction of a new class of blackpowder substitutes from Western Powders: Blackhorn 209. In fact, it was a factory Savage 10ML-II barrel that was used for load development of Blackhorn 209. The only consideration with Blackhorn 209 is that it needs an efficient breechplug system for perfect ignition, as you quickly realize from the name of the propellant. As the Savage 10ML has the most efficient breechplug and sealed action on the market, Blackhorn 209 and this rifle are a great match.
Why in a Savage?...because BH209 is basically a smokeless powder and no other ML barrel was tested to over 100k psi. Every Savage barrel is test fired and tested so it makes perfect sense for safety reasons.
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04-04-2011, 06:25 PM
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If you can believe RW
The Savage came out 4-6 years before BH209 BTW. Savage offered a "BP only" version the same year IIRC too.
Why in a Savage?...because BH209 is basically a smokeless powder and no other ML barrel was tested to over 100k psi. Every Savage barrel is test fired and tested so it makes perfect sense for safety reasons.
The Savage came out 4-6 years before BH209 BTW. Savage offered a "BP only" version the same year IIRC too.
Why in a Savage?...because BH209 is basically a smokeless powder and no other ML barrel was tested to over 100k psi. Every Savage barrel is test fired and tested so it makes perfect sense for safety reasons.
04-04-2011, 06:28 PM
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Savage offered a BP "only" version the same year BH209 was released. Its actually the same gun with a longer barrel but still the same quality as the smokeless barrel. The breach plug design probably had something to do with it too. The same year Savage changed their BP design a little bit for easier removal.
Its actually the same gun with a longer barrel but still the same quality as the smokeless barrel. The breach plug design probably had something to do with it too. The same year Savage changed their BP design a little bit for easier removal.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 04-04-2011 at 06:33 PM.