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Muley Hunter 04-04-2011 08:15 PM

I do have some old rods, but I wouldn't fish them. They didn't use the best glues in those days like they have now.

I fish with a Mike Brooks replica of the old Dickerson rod. You can't tell it from the original, but it's made with modern epoxies. Much stronger, but has the same action.

Just like the modern sidelock replicas are made with better steels.

HEAD0001 04-04-2011 08:18 PM

I don't know why, but I just really like the older fishing rods. Maybe it is just all the places those rods have been. Or the people who are important in your life who have used the rods. I do not know. I just know that I really like them.

I wouldn't sell my uncle's rod for a million dollars. I really mean that. Tom.

cayugad 04-05-2011 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by polaris754 (Post 3794450)
hey thanks fer all the info guys , the rifles a t/c omega, 50 cal , i have been pondering the thought about buckhorn 209 , as a next step , ,i really dont have to much problem with the breach plug fire hole plugging up , and as well , i am not sure if its a bore butter , but trip 7 sells it and its blue stuff ?, just worried one day the load dosnt go all the way down ,and some kind of catastrophic failure occurs , things that go boom sometimes do ! thanks fer the welkies lee :cool2:

Polaris754 - I have read the posts made here and there is some good advise. I think you have one of those tight bore Omega rifles. Not all of them are tight bore, but you might be one of the lucky ones. Because of this, the Triple Seven fouling is closing up the diameter of the bore on you. That is what is making loading hard. There are a couple things you can do.

First thing I would do is get rid of the bore butter. That might be gathering fouling actually when you shoot, only increasing the problem. I would boil the barrel clean and get that bore butter out of it. If you want to protect he barrel and make is smooth, get some Montana Xtreme Bore Treatment. I have been using the product in some of my rifles and must admit.. I can not swear it is making the fouling not stick to the bore, but these rifles are sure easy to clean. The bore treatment will protect your bore and make it easier to load.

Because of the tight bore, I would also take some JB Bore Paste and give that barrel a good scrubbing. This will help to smooth out any areas that might be grabbing fouling, but besides that I will make the barrel smooth and make loading easier. And it will only remove fouling and residue from the bore. This is not a lapp so it will not remove any metal from the bore.

The main thing.. Triple Seven is a good powder. But no matter what powder you go to, your going to get fouling of some sort. Blackhorn 209 might be a real good powder for you, but it is not always cost effective and I am not so sure I like the idea that I have to use a chemical to clean it. I am an old soap and water man I guess. But you can use the powders like Triple Seven. The key thing is you have to swab better. Swabbing is a PITA and I am the first to admit this. I hate to swab. But when I do, I do a good job.

Sabotloader gave you some great swabbing tips. Work that damp patch in short stroke, actually scrubbing the bore. When you get down near the breech, slow down. Take your time here. Really work the patch well. When you remove it, flip it over and do it again. Then a couple dry patches. You should not need to add bore butter to the barrel. That is only closing it up again. And it is not recommended by T/C I believe in their manual when shooting sabots. The sabot is the slider.

If your concern is hunting, and you think.. I need a fast second shot. Find a projectile that might be that fast second shot. This might be a conical bullet, a powerbelt, or even a different sabot combination. But there is something out there that will work. You have to find it.

Also go to a Harvester Crushed Rib sabot when you shoot. These will help with the tight bore and make your loading less of a effort.

These are something I would try.

falcon 04-05-2011 05:23 AM

The ability to quickly re-load is important to me. It is sometimes necessary to end the suffering of a wounded animal.

Many TC rifles have rough bores that make loading difficult. Do as Cayugad suggested and give the bore a good scrubbing with JB Bore Paste.

Omega45 04-05-2011 01:31 PM

I have used JB on an Omega, Triumph, and 2 Encores. My buddy was absolutely amazed at how well his TC Encore loaded after I did his. It may take a little elbow grease to run 100 strokes on a tight fitting patch but its definitely worth it. In my experience shooting TC's they really like the Harvester crushed rib sabot.

polaris754 04-05-2011 04:46 PM

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Hey guys thanks fer all the reply's , as it stands as shown in that one barrel pix , i kind of felt it was something just like that , for what its worth I am going to give bh 209 a shot , I have herd many good things so far ,after the seasons all over I give the rifle a good scrub and coat everything with bore butter , is this good to do when off season storing what do u guys think ? :eek2:

sabotloader 04-05-2011 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by polaris754 (Post 3795514)
Hey guys thanks fer all the reply's , as it stands as shown in that one barrel pix , i kind of felt it was something just like that , for what its worth I am going to give bh 209 a shot , I have herd many good things so far ,after the seasons all over I give the rifle a good scrub and coat everything with bore butter , is this good to do when off season storing what do u guys think ? :eek2:

It would be my suggestion to not use BB to store with and i would not think coating the whole thing with BB would not be a good way to go either. My suggestion would be to use a quality oil, preferably a synthetic oil for any type lubrication or protection of the metal parts.

BB or the better form T17 or Wonder lube 1000 can be used for some things but lubrication and storage would be marginal...

Just my opinion...

a1smokepole 04-05-2011 05:23 PM

i would stop using BB in your barrel this is putting build up in there form the powder go with a good quality gun oil and before you shot it run two patch down the barrel before you shot it to remove the oil then pop a cap and load it i used BB a longtime a go and it put buildup in may barrel with powder good patch and ball lub and bullet lub in old gun but thats it not inlines oh use the JB to polish the bore good stuff this will help alot

nchawkeye 04-05-2011 05:29 PM

Don't use BoreButter in any gun, use a good quality gun oil...

Gm54-120 04-05-2011 05:32 PM

As SabotLoader said BB has some uses but for storage or lubrication there are many better options.


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