New direction
 

Well like some others on this forum have done, i am heading in a different direction in this highly addictive sport were all involved in.as some of you know we bought a youth model wolverine for the lil lady and boy to shoot. i bought a man size stock and started shooting conicals from it. it seemed to spark memories of days past with the .54 renegade and how much of a challenge and plain fun it was.to be honest saboted bullets from my Triumph are not much of a challenge as far as accuracy is concerned, since i consider it to be one of the best out of the box rilfes for accuracy with saboted bullets.my Triumph is listed in the for sale section and i would also be interested in a trade for a knight .45 cal rifle,to use with conical bullets.i am really excited about making this change and look forward to keeping everyone here posted. thanks Ray

I still love the traditional way of hunting. I don't consider it a handicap though. I can shoot as good at 100 yds with my Renegade and a PRB as I can with the Omega. It just doesn't have the distance.

That's cured by getting closer. :biggrin:

Good luck on your new venture.

so why not just shoot conicals in the triump and struggle with that? :D

Jon, the Triumphs and even CVA's are not the first choices for pure lead conical shooting. when you hear people talking about good conical shooting guns, white comes first then Knights. not any CVA::poke:i will be honest. i looked at some CVA's to do this type of shooting with.and theres not a lot of people getting the results you can with a white or Knight..or i would go that route and i mean that sincerely.i want a .45 cal, but the whites are 1;20 twist which shoot the big 460-488 with amazing accuray. the Knight .45 in 1:30 i feel is a lot more versatile. Ray

muley there are people who regularly take came to 200 yds + with big lead and most with peep sights not scopes. remember what i said yesterday. that animal doesn;t know how long it took for that saboted bullet or big chunk of lead to hit it. bottom line is it's dead :barmy:

Good luck with your new direction. Gotta keep it interesting.

Yes sir and i am excited and up for the new challenge. Ray

Good luck finding a 45cal Knight(low serial#). I own 2 Triumphs and I.M.O you can't buy a better gun for the money today. I picked up this one for 1/3 what my T/C's cost. If you were bored before wait to you get the 45 they are stupid accurate.

Sounds like fun builder. Knights are a wonderful conical shooter. If you're really wanting to shoot big lead, try and find yourself a White!

I too find myself going back to throwing big chunks of lead and roundballs. So much so, I am kicking around the idea of just using a flintlock this year.

It'll be interesting to see what you find.

Are you shooting lead conicals from your .45 cal. and i totally agree with you on the triumphs lol. problem is there not the big lead shooters that a white or knight is.i have a .50 wolverine for big lead and want a .45. it will be interesting,since i won't scope them, just peep sights.. Ray

No my only outing I used 200g XTP just because they are cheap. I bought some Lehigh's for it and i like using sabots. If big conicals are your fancy is a slower twist rate better? From reading on here a 1-24 is best? I think Sabotloader said low serial numer 45's have the 1-24.

I thought of whites, but in the .45 cal there 1:20 twist and shoot the really big 460-488 lead well, the knight with it's 1:30 twist is a lot more versatile, and after seeing what some .45 cal knights can do with a 340 gr conical which is motoring down range pretty darn fast lol! just looks like fun!

I really enjoy shooting the conicals. I like the way they load and I like their accuracy.
As a bonus, they make target shooting a lot more affordable.

Cheap is another reason i am going to big lead lol. my understanding of white's is 1:24 in the .50 and 1:20 on the 45. besides that whites are hard to find parts for and knights are not.Knights seem to shoot the big lead real well,the accuracy seems to come from the proper sized bullet and weight for the bore and twist.hell who knows i may even try my hand at casting my own lol..RAy

Reading through posts, i was really impressed with that little .340 gr Lee bullet you cast and shoot out of a knight .45.extremely accurate and SABOTLOADER seems to get excellent accuracy from his GMB barrled rifles with big lead also.i am stoked about it to be honest :biggrin:

The Eilte 45 1-30 is surprisingly versatile

360gr PR Ultimate conical 100 yards


285gr Great Plains 100 yards


6 Hornady180gr XTPs and 100 yards on a rest


Same load 4 shots with no rest

I rest my case lol! Ray

I applaud your move back to conicals. I made the same move myself a while back. While you are at it you might as well go back to straight BP as well.

And yes the Knight's shoot the conical very well. Look for an older MK-85. They will drill the conicals. And look for a musket cap conversion cap. I prefer that ignition to the 209 ignition. And there has never been a better trigger in a production MZ that was better than the trigger in the MK-85.

And one last thing. Don't give up on the 50 caliber. There are just as many good 50 caliber molds available as 45 caliber molds. And the 50's will do very well themselves. Tom.

Tom i have a Knight wolverine in .50 already lol. now i want a .45 to throw big lead with.. did they nake the wolverines in .45 and if so what twist?

They made a 45cal 1-24 MK85 but it is VERY rare. The first Original 45 DISCs were 1-20 but not all. I have an Original 45 SS NIB that is over the correct serial range for 1-20 but the ramrod test comes back as being a 1-20?

what about the newer .45 cal wolverines? and i want a 1:30 whatever i buy lol.. Ray

Im not really sure if they made a Wolverine in 45cal. Ive never seen one.

They made a .45 wolverine with a contoured barrel and no open sights. It had a 1 in 30 inch twist.

Not sure the twist but I believe its brand new. A Knightaholic may know by zooming in on the serial #.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/974834616...LE_45_BLUE.htm

That one is a disc elite.

Maybe this is the seller that had them mismarked a while back. Pretty good deal though and will accept a Lehigh plug. Wouldn't it be cleaner then a Wolverine? Are the Elites not conical shooters?

Sure they will. That's what GM-54 is shooting them with.

I can't keep track of GM-54's Knights he's got soooo many now.:happy0157:

So the one Omega found is a elite? they have it listed as a extreme.aren't both 1:30? i was just asking about the wolverine OMEGA. i would rather have a disc and apparently the wolverine didn't have sights and i want to shoot with a peep. Ray

Sorry but I do not know anything about Wolverine's. Personally I like my MK-85's and my LRH. I still think the MK-85 is the finest rifle Knight ever made for hunting. I do like my LRH but as far as a straight hunting rifle the MK-85 is a better choice(IMO). Especially when carrying the rifle for any period of time. And I like their laminated stocks. And as stated before I like the musket cap ignition better than the 209 or the standard caps.

I would not get so hung up on an exact twist rate. I think you will find all the Knight's will shoot a properly sized conical very very very well. Tom.

Look at the part number DL means its an Elite. All Elite 45s are a 1-30 unless there are some super rare prototypes

The first 6 means blue
The middle 5 means 45cal
The last 6 means 26" barrel
C is for composite stock

And HEAD is correct, the MK85s has about the best trigger you will ever see on a ML. Factory set at a crisp 2.5lbs and its a TRUE Timney.

That is the same guy i bought my Original 45 SS from and it was NIB with everything.

my understand is they made a .45 cal super disc 1:20 and almost ruined them.since it wouldn't shoot worth a dam, with the exception of a few limited bullets.thought i read they ended up replacing most of the barrels with a faster twist. Ray

No what ruined the 1-20 was hyping a 155gr bullet at 2500fps in the 1-20. A fast twist is just fine with 180gr and up. 200gr+ bullets shoot really sweet with that twist. Plus 45cal sabots are much better now. Numerous compaines jumped on that wagon..not just Knight. Traditions made fast twist 45s almost until they dropped the 45. MDM used a 1-20 too and White.

SML 45 guys use 1-22 or even as fast as 1-18 twist commonly shooting 200gr bullets over 2600fps. Mine is going to be a 1-22 but i want a 1-24 custom. I just dont want to pay the extra $150 to get it.

I have one of the old school 45 cal super disc 1-20 twist and love it # 0532 put lehigh breech plug in it and newer bolt I shot lehigh 40 cal 200gr doa bullet and shots good haveat shot a deer with bullet yet

Yep they are one of the best Lehigh 200gr shooters. My Elite 1-30 prefers the 185gr DOA but the 200gr isn't terrible. It shoots a regular 40-200gr lead/copper fine. Ive shot upto a 260gr in a sabot within hunting group standards. The Lehigh 200gr is long. Another thing a 1-20 can shoot with some load work is a 180gr-200 .35x bullet in a PR 45x357 orange sabot.

I think knights problem with the 1:20 is it just doesn't shoot a big variety of different bullet weights well.White wanted the 1:20 since it shot his favorite big lead conicals so darn well.just like the 1:24 does in the .50. he did his homework, the M/L world went the other direction lol.anyway i want a 1:30 !!!!! Ray

I but all prs in 40 cal and put them in mmp tan and harvester LB sabots and they dont shot the bad for paper shooting

oh and the barnes bullets 185gr 195gr shot ok but not for hunting they will pencil throw but ok for paper shooting

For those interested here is a link to a .45 wolverine that sold about a month ago on gunbroker: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=216568931

thank you Flounder. i will find one in time. i need to sell the Triumph anyway have i have the .50 wolverine to shoot big lead from. i have the peep mounted on it now also.thanks again Ray