Muley if you believe MAX M/L pays for anything, i have some swamp land here in the desert i will sell you (cheap) i have seen his BS in discussions on this site. i don't know if his test was legit or not, but i can tell you this for certain by user reviews, anything shot with the 300 gr PT gold,with a properly placed bullet isn't long for this world.(DRT) Ray

Well, back up what you say, because I can.

To check out Max I asked Terry if he's given Max free bullets, and he said no.

How much did you pay for your swamp land?

only one test so far and it completely destroyed what i shot into. I mix my sand till its like an over wet cement mixture. No bullet, not even a barnes or a nosler has ever made it through the bucket.

I still have to get more buckets and news paper, it looks like i have to beef up my traps with this load combo.

My mixture opens thors perfectly, you just need enough water in it.

Max is full of himself and BS. like i said i have seen him in action on this site, maybe he's not been given free bullets by harvester, but you can bet he has by one of the other bullet companys he"s approved. keep listening to people like him and you will be able to sell your property as swamp land. also did you witness his test? do a search and have a look at bullets fired and recovered from animals.bottom line is web site and blogs make money period. the more traffic the more money. in the end he doesn't do a darn thing for free.. nuff said. Ray

Yes FG, but we know that sometimes Powerbelts will blow right through an animal, and other times it explodes.

What we need for hunting is a bullet that will always expand and stay together with good penetration.

That's a lot to ask from any bullet, and hard to test for all conditions.

I just need to see one failure to stop using the bullet.

Blowing up water bottles, wet sand, and phone books doesn't do it for me.

There's a reason that the FBI and bullet manufactures use gel. I'n guessing it simulates flesh better than any other kind of test material.

my question is, WTH is fbi ballistics gel?

Thanks. You know, given the experience I related, I can hardly believe that's the PT Gold's typical performance in ballistic gelatin. I can't see a bullet that performed so poorly in ballistic gelatin being able to smash through bone, flesh, internal organs and back out through more bone and flesh while leaving a uniform 3" exit hole with no trace of bullet fragment left behind in the body, organs, etc. Maybe the guy had some bricks a few inches into the gelatin.

Next time I go out and shoot, I'll stack some phone books together to see if I can recover the bullet.

My proof is in the picture. It's your job to disprove it. So, far you've done nothing to do that.

While you're at it. Come up with a reason for Max to make the PT look bad?

I talked to Ron Bugg at Harvester. I showed him the pictures of the broken up PT bullet. He really didn't have any defense or reason the bullet did that. He wasn't excited at all. If it was me in his position I would have been all over Max. The only conclusion I can come up with is Ron wasn't upset, because he knows the bullet can do that.

I don't know, but it leaves enough doubt in my mind that I won't use the bullet. It way too much work for me to get into position to shoot an elk. I need to be confident in my bullet.

I dunno. Haven't I read here that Corey makes a good substitute? Maybe he can enlighten us.