I am curious about what the diameter (.5XX) is of the following sabbots with the 250 TEZ bullet:

With blue sabbot the bullet comes with?

With HPH-24?

With HPH-12?

With the short black Havester H5045sb (not the crush rib)?

For those of you that happen to have the 300gr XTP same info as well (not sure is there is a difference in diameter of the bullets themselves but some may be a hair larger/smaller) than others I would imagine????).

Thanks guys and hope you dont mind all the questions - just trying to get my brain wrapped around this stuff before my second and last trip to the range before the 2 week muzzleoader season start Jan 2nd.

i couldn't tell you thats a special sabot T/C has made for them.if were to buy a sabot for that bullet it would be the crushed rib.

I am hoping someone has a caliper??? that they can measure it for me.

I already tried the crushed rib and it was too narrow for my gun. The blue sabot fit far more snug than the crushed rib. The crushed rib just slid down with one hand. Just trying to see what differences I will be looking at.

I have not tried a hph12.

It looks like i did use a hph24 because I was told that is what is packed with 300gr XTPs. So far it felt the best but if there is a thicker one out there I want to try it.

I also tried the Harvester H5045 SB and it felt like it fell between the crushed rib and the "blue" one.

Again - just trying to see if my "feeling" is matching up with the actual numbers if someone has them.

What is the best way to measure them? Since the plastic deforms a bit if you squish it, it's a little tough to get an exact measure in the distances we're interested in. I have the 290 TEZ and am happy to measure them, but I don't have the 250's.

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With the TEZ i would use the supplied sabot. with the xtp if you think the crushed rib goes down to easy try the 24's. again remember nice even firm pressure will be the best fit.i don't even use a short starter when loading the TEZ with the supplied blue sabot and they go down, what i consider to be perfect.and i am sure they will do the same in your rifle.

If that blue sabot is a 3 petal sabot it is a HPH-3p-EZ load sabot
If the sabot is 4 petal it is a HPH-24

MMP has the contract for TC also so the black 45/50 cal sabot is a HPH-24

Maybe this chart might help you...



Might have to do some searching to find the information but a lot of it should be on here...

Sabotloader it's a 4 petal on the blues that come with the TEZ.when i shoot the .250 gold dots i use the Crush rib, which loads about the same as the blue sabot on the TEZ bullet.i don't know of anyone that can cram a hph -12 down the barrel of a T/C lol.

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If it is a 4 petal I really believe it is a contracted HPH-24. The general public can not buy the blue sabot from MMP same as they can not buy the TC yellow HPH-3p-Ez load.

See I would agree with that one also but I know there are folks doing it, anyway they swear they are HPH-12's. Myself I would try it in any of my TC - but then I do not need to because the 24's work so well

Another thought... i would expect Barnes to hold a tighter diameter in an all copper bullet than does Speer in an electroplating process... The Barnes are probably right at .452 while the Speers could be .452 to .4525. It would not matter in a pistol.

There really is not much difference in a CR and a regular Harvester of the same size... The ribs just crush and form easier than do the solid sabots...

The last time I talked to Ron at Harvester he indicated to me the 40 cal Blue sabot and the 40 cal Blue CR were the same size - it is just easier to load the ribs than the solid.

The Barnes usually run about 1-2 thousandths smaller than the GoldDots. Kinda depends on the weight too. The 300gr GD/DC seem to run closer to the advertised .452. My last 2 boxes of 250gr GD/DCs were over .452 and nearly .453.

Nearly all the "45cal" Barnes for MLs were .451 or even less. Ive never had any TEZs to check. Their ML bullets dont seem to be as consistent in OD as their XPB, TAC-XP or other reloading bullets, so your results may vary a bit.