caribsteve

are the Same? I have a CVA Wolf Magnum and See alot of recommendations for Winchester W209 Primers. are they the same as Winchester Triple Seven Primers? Thanks

I'm NEw and Very New to Muzzleloading..

thanks

sabotloader

Win W209 and Win T7 share about the same length, but the pressure they create is different.

The w209 is considered the hotter of the two primer with the T7 being a little cooler. It has been shown that the temperature (pressure) that a primer creates does make a difference in the T7 'crud ring' that is created.

Shotgun Primers

Winchester 209ML ........................221 f.p.s.

Winchester 209 Triple Seven ML......244 f.p.s.

Remington 209 Kleanbore ML .........318 f.p.s.

Std. Winchester No. W209A ...........336 f.p.s.

Remington STS.............................338 f.p.s.

Std. Remington No. 209 ................341 f.p.s.

Cheddite No. 209 .........................347 f.p.s.

CCI 209M.....................................379 f.p.s.

Federal No. 209A ..........................381 f.p.s.



Rifle/Pistol Primers

Winchester WSP "Small Pistol" ….......116 f.p.s.

Winchester WSR "Small Rifle" ..........143 f.p.s

caribsteve

Which one would you recommend to start off with?? thats alot of data...

sabotloader

caribsteve

Which powder are you using?

If it is T7 loose go with the T7 primers

If it is T7 pellets or BH start with W209's they are also the longest and might give you the best head space.

If shooting BH and the W209's do not get it done go with the CCI-209M.

Here is a primer length chart to go along with the heat chart already posted...



One thing that would really help is if you were to modify the CVA breech plug. The standard CVA plug comes with a 3mm flash channel ( the channel right under the nose if the primer leading the the small flash hole in the end of the plug) This small of a tube does not allow the primer gras to move effeciently before starting to loose heat.

Think if it this way... go find two straws a fairly skinny straw and a larger one like for milk shakes.... Fill you mouth and cheeks with water... place the straw in your mouth and bow the water out of the straws.... Which straw more effeciently empties the water in your mouth? Now imagine instead of water you were blowing heat and pressure - which opening would get more heat and pressure to the flash hole.... Next step what if you opened the flash hole a couple of thousands - ????? See what I am working to.

Questions? When you shoot your wolf with what ever primer you are using - how much blow back (soot and debris) are you getting in the breech area?

caribsteve

I just got it. so I'm starting from Scratch

Here's what I'm thinking of testing on the range

Powerbelt Muzzleloading Bullets 50 Caliber 245 Grain Hollow Point
Powerbelt Muzzleloading Bullets 50 Caliber 295 Grain Hollow Point

Hodgdon Triple Seven Black Powder Substitute 50 Caliber 50 Grain Pellets
Hodgdon Triple Seven Black Powder Substitute 50 Caliber 30 Grain Pellets

Then I was stuck on the primers..

Its a CVA Wolf Mag So i was wondering on the Mag Primers, W209 and the other 209's on there..

Thanks for all the help guys

sabotloader

caribsteve

You should not need Mag primers for any of the T7 pellets.

caribsteve

So Should I try Both Winchester Triple Seven Primers and the W209?

MountainDevil54

the 777 primers will leave a mess in your rifle. Go with the W209's an swab between each shot. When i used T7 and 777 primers, i still got a crud ring that made me swab between each shot.

caribsteve

Oh ok thanks

sabotloader

caribsteve

That is kinda why I asked this question... if you head space is close enough and you are not getting a lot of blow back out in the breech area - then I would use the T7 primers.

Another thing i wuld suggest is to make up some Windex patches for patching between shots at the range or while target practice. If every thing works out you should be able to 2-3-4 shots off hunting with out the patch.

If you make these up make sure they are JUST BARELY DAMP... I saturate them then press the excess out with my fingers (thumbs) and pour the excess back into the bottle...



Hope this helps....