NOOOOOO! Your still not paying attention MD.with the correct primer and breech plug cleaning the T/c speed breech will fire without problems!let me repeat,no reworking is necessary!

I just answered another post with these thoughts, bringing it over here for more exposure and discussion of your thoughts.

The point i was trying to make is.T/C invents and markets the speed breech.CVA jumps on the band wagon with it's clone, what a 1 yr-1 1/2 ? later knowing the growing number of people who are shooting BH209.and when CVA introduces it's clone all the while MD is carrying on about how much better it is than the T/C speed breech and how it's offered on the wolf. again you won't hear me say anything like CVA'S are junk ETC. i believe they build a quality rifle now! but if your going to copy something, knowing the powders people are using make it work for all those powders. apparently even though they had more time to do so they still didn't get it right.i still stand by my statement.T/C speed breeches work when the correct primer and cleaning is performed.that also goes for non speed breeches like the on used in the omega.

TC's version of the plug is a lot better IMO. How many here have had those TC speed plugs screw up with the O rings? those rings rusting up has been a few problems for people on other forums. A guy on another forum couldnt get his plug in after removing it, he looked at the threads and they were all "chewed up".

i personally have never had a problem with the QRBP with seizing up. Those threads stay as clean as a brand new plug.

I haven't experienced any problems with my Triumph plug," knock on wood lol". i fired 25 rounds through it yesterday and removed it with my fingers.

But it is not.. it is not a Speed Breech nor is a Quick Release + it is gun specific - it has to be fitted to the gun you are shooting further if by accident you deform the soft tip of the plug you may be out of luck and have to buy a new one. The gas rings that TC uses has been used for years in other aplications and is proven. Plus you can use mine and I can use yours... Further the technology that TC used to increase the volume of the flash channel has greatly improved the effecientcy of the plug.

I do not know about you but I can shoot any primer that i want as may times as I choose and the breech is virtually clean shot after shot. No head spacing necessary....

CVA has copied many different innovations from many different places and wil always continue to do so as trying to patent something is far to time consuming. Besides if you do not have to fund R&D what does that do for the cost of a product...

I mention the following because I'm not having a problem with my breech plug and don't exactly follow what the solution is. I'm also fairly new to muzzle loading.
I shoot a CVA Apex .45 cal QRBP. The only hang fires or misfires I've had involved Black Mag XP powder. With Blackhorn 209 I had some misfires early on using Rem STS primers and cleaning the breech plug in one of those cups of breech plug cleaner.
Since switching to CCI 2109M primers and only using Hoppes 9 to clean the barrel and breech plug I have not had a misfire or nofire. I do not clean the flash channel with a drill bit at all while shooting. I do clean it with a drill bit by hand turning at the end of the day.
I put 20 to 30 shots through it each session at the range.

Apex has much tighter clearances between the primer and face of the frame. I didnt have to mod our Apex either but i went a head with the .035" flash hole for the hell of it.

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You probabably have shot your Triumph more than I have mine... but at typical range session I will shoot at least 30 rounds, often different primers and powder volumns and have never had a problem removing the plug by hand - but I tape the plug for installation - which probably is not needed.

Rusting the gas rings surely would be possible if you left the them or the gun uncleaned for a long period of time, after all spring steel is still steel. Do your maintenance - not a problem.

'O' rings - i did buy a spare package of them from the nice lady at TC although she said it would be a rareity that I would need one. They are here in the house some place and I think I could find them if I needed to.

I would agree, the problem is western Powders. They still claim on the web-site no special primers needed. I have been complaining about that for roughly two years atleast.:(