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Old 12-11-2010 | 11:15 AM
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of course im sure the powder is one of many excuses used.
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Old 12-11-2010 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
no apology needed IMO. Some like to turn their heads the other way when it comes to crap american made rifles
I can't believe what a total moron you are acting like.you would probably" wet" yourself if all american gunmakers went out of buisness.and it's not people picking on you genius!.it's the ignorant comments that flow out of your piehole!amazing what things people who are protected bye the internet will say! do you shoot that CVA with that "sales" logo you always have plastered on it? also again when did colorado start allowing the feeding of deer?
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Old 12-11-2010 | 11:24 AM
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the deer feeder is now empty after i learned it wasnt allowed.

I got a marlin 3030, brother had a remington 700, those are about the only american guns we have. We're not that big into centerfire stuff.
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Old 12-11-2010 | 11:32 AM
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i'm a long retired Army M/Sgt. and disabled RVN vet. The history of the M16 rifle is a very long one. Yep, it has been a very good battle rifle for the past 40+ years. The M16 has not always been a good battle rifle. In the beginning it was a sorry piece of work that was fed some sorry ammo. The M16 was accepted for use based on the use of grained powder. Then the US Army decided to use ball powder. That was a sorry decision.

My brother was a Sgt. in C Co. 2nd Bn, 7th Cav. He went to Viet Nam with the unit in 1965. Still have the letter he wrote asking me to send him a cleaning rod, bore brush and patches: Yep, the Army issued the troops M16 rifles without cleaning kits. Sec Def McNamara, Colt and Stoner claimed that the gun was "self cleaning" and the troops did not need cleaning kits.

That ball powder increased the cyclic rate of the M16 and this resulted in more wear on the weapon. That powder was also very dirty. The gun did not initially have a chrome plated chamber and this lead to rust and failures to extract the fired case. The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way."

The US Army insisted that their M16 have a forward assist. The USAF guns did not have that feature.

My brother was killed at Ia Drang Valley on 17 November, 1965. One of these days i will have the great pleasure of 9issing on McNamara's grave.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/articles.asp?id=125

The Army began to immediately issue the XM16E1 (re-named M16 on its adoption) to infantry units, and the rifle was initially delivered without adequate cleaning supplies or kit. Moreover, the Army's inability to deliver 5.56mm ammunition meeting quantity and velocity specifications led to a change in powder specification for the 5.56mm cartridge. Unfortunately, the change was made without testing the modified ammunition in the rifle under service conditions. The newly-specified 5.56 ammunition increased the cyclic rate of fire, increasing wear on parts, and the new gunpowder's burning characteristics increased fouling in the M16 rifle.


When the XM16E1 reached Vietnam with U.S. troops in 1966, reports of jamming and malfunctions in combat immediately began to surface. Although the M14 had a chrome-lined barrel and chamber to resist corrosion in combat conditions (a danger learned from WWII Pacific theatre combat experience), the M16/XM16E1 had no chrome-lined bore or chamber.

Several documented accounts of troops killed by enemy fire with jammed rifles broken-down for cleaning eventually brought a Congressional investigation. Later investigations also cast doubt on the veracity of the original 1962 reports of the alleged stopping effectiveness of the 5.56mm bullet, as well as criticism of inadequate penetration (in comparison to the Soviet 7.62mm x 39mm round) when firing at enemy personnel through light cover.


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Old 12-11-2010 | 11:37 AM
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That was an awesome read Falcon. Im sorry to hear about your brother, thats tough.

Damn that was a good read. I like the 7.62x39 round myself. I never liked the tiny bullet deal. Then again NATO and their "have a heart" rules also screw up a lot of things. You shoot at someone, u want him down, not wounded.
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Old 12-12-2010 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
of course im sure the powder is one of many excuses used.

Ya know I was going to let it all out and let everyone know how I felt about your attitude, but thought better of it. I think you are letting everone know what a piece of work you are just by letting you dig that hole deeper and deeper. You are doing a better job then I could have done.
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Old 12-12-2010 | 03:15 AM
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The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way."

McNamara should have been tried for treason.He admited before his death,that they knew we could not win with the stratagies they employed.He was indirectly responsible for many American deaths.Falcon,give him a squirt for me

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Old 12-12-2010 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Chasam60
The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way."

McNamara should have been tried for treason.He admited before his death,that they knew we could not win with the stratagies they employed.He was indirectly responsible for many American deaths.Falcon,give him a squirt for me

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What would you espect from an elitist, arogant politician. Add me to that list Falcon.
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Old 12-13-2010 | 11:57 AM
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MD 54 I learned something many years back. Even a fish would keep out of trouble if he kept his mouth shut. I totally disagree with your comments.To each their own you're entitled to your opinion.
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