xtp or deep curl/ mmp or harvester
#2
IMO...
The XTP is definitetly less expensive - 3/4 bucks less money most often per box. The Deep Curls are the better hunting bullet, they are the newest in development and probably the best normally priced hunting bullet of the time.
I prefer MMP but others really like Harvester. MMP seem to conform to the bore for me better than the Harvesters. The polymere plastic is more pliable in the MMP.
But most often it might come down to what your bore prefers with the bullet you choose to shoot. + you have to dertirmine which thickness of sabot you need to fit your bore.
The XTP is definitetly less expensive - 3/4 bucks less money most often per box. The Deep Curls are the better hunting bullet, they are the newest in development and probably the best normally priced hunting bullet of the time.
I prefer MMP but others really like Harvester. MMP seem to conform to the bore for me better than the Harvesters. The polymere plastic is more pliable in the MMP.
But most often it might come down to what your bore prefers with the bullet you choose to shoot. + you have to dertirmine which thickness of sabot you need to fit your bore.
#3
400gr+ lead conical and 60-80grs of whichever powder shoots the best for you is the cheapest and hits like a freight train. 
But thats not quite what you were asking so.....
I can get the GoldDots and XTPs pretty close to the same price locally....at least for now. Depends on which ones mostly. The GoldDot/DeepCurl is a better bullet and just as accurate except for maybe in a Savage.
MMP and Harvester sabots are close enough in cost that it all depends on what your gun prefers. I use mostly MMP/Hornady sabots but not always.
You may get a better answer if you mentioned for which gun.

But thats not quite what you were asking so.....
I can get the GoldDots and XTPs pretty close to the same price locally....at least for now. Depends on which ones mostly. The GoldDot/DeepCurl is a better bullet and just as accurate except for maybe in a Savage.
MMP and Harvester sabots are close enough in cost that it all depends on what your gun prefers. I use mostly MMP/Hornady sabots but not always.
You may get a better answer if you mentioned for which gun.
#4
Nontypical Buck
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Not much of a difference really. Both MMP and Harvester are about the same price. Same with the XTP and Deep Curl. I've killed deer with both and so far haven't seen a difference in performance.
I'd let your gun tell you which is best.
I'd let your gun tell you which is best.
#5
Some XTPs are a real money saver, especially if you buy the 100ct boxes. But for the most part, XTPs and GDHP/Deep Curls are pretty close in price, a couple of bucks difference. For a bonded bullet, I think it's worth it to get the Deep Curls.
Re the sabots, I have for the most part only used Harvesters. I have found that the sabot probably makes the most differernce in accuracy. For the 300gr .452 bullets, the long blacks give me the best groups, but are a true b!tch to load in my Omega X7. For the 250gr .452s, the short blacks seem to work the best. For the 240gr .429s, the green crushed ribs do the trick. I think Sabotloader is right in that there is no real way to avoid trying all the different sabots out there to find out what your ML works best with.
Re the sabots, I have for the most part only used Harvesters. I have found that the sabot probably makes the most differernce in accuracy. For the 300gr .452 bullets, the long blacks give me the best groups, but are a true b!tch to load in my Omega X7. For the 250gr .452s, the short blacks seem to work the best. For the 240gr .429s, the green crushed ribs do the trick. I think Sabotloader is right in that there is no real way to avoid trying all the different sabots out there to find out what your ML works best with.
#6
Giant Nontypical
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Around here the price is close, I believe the Gold Dot or Deep Curl to be a much better bullet. Used the XTP for many years and quite often the bullet came apart and did not quite exit I believe the exit hole on the low side when hunting out of a tree stand to be important. When I switched to Gold Dots I found that I did get an exit hole but that a well placed bullet usually drop them on the spot .
On sabots; I try all the thickness that will work in both brands, for some reason [I believe the length may enter into it, also the compressibility] one will always group tighter and more dependable than all the others. I have found that with my lapped bores the Harvester shoots best about 60% of the time other than that it usually runs about 50/50. There for trying them all is a good policy. It may possibly have to do with barrel whip.
On sabots; I try all the thickness that will work in both brands, for some reason [I believe the length may enter into it, also the compressibility] one will always group tighter and more dependable than all the others. I have found that with my lapped bores the Harvester shoots best about 60% of the time other than that it usually runs about 50/50. There for trying them all is a good policy. It may possibly have to do with barrel whip.
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Spike
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From: new jersey
i have three rifles a cva kodiack , knight krb 7 , and a tc impact, have not shot the tc yet but i shoot the cva and knight all the time cva has a has a average bore not real tight not loose , but the knight has a loose bore cant shoot any thing that is package as easy load i have also notice that the hollow point handgun bullets are more forgiveing with a difference in velocity wether up or down than most of the poly tipped bullets as far as exspansion and acurracy
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#10
I think the real difference in the two bullet, because really they are basically designed to do the same function, is age.
At one time Round Balls were considered to be the advancement of the age, in fact I would believe that are still some folks out there that truley believe that. I have not done the math to figure out how old Round Balls are, but from the round balls of lead we do have a popular saying "make a big hole"
XTP's are certainly an advancement over round balls, although again some folks would still disagree. XTP's still do the job as demonstrated by several people and the know reputation that XTP's have harvested more animals in the US than and other bullet, and they continue to do so today as there remains more people entrrenched in shooting them than any other bullet. My question or observation is that they might be the Round Ball of our time. I think one gentleman said he had been using them for 31 years (I may have misread that). So I would consider the XTP 'old technology'. Now old certainly does not mean 'bad' no more than the Round Ball being old is 'bad'.
New materials, new technologies, new ideals, new methods - always create problems amoung the old establishment, especially when the old has worked so well for you in the past. And as compared to what you might have used in the past the XTP, price wise and availabilty was certainly the better of other choices.
I consider the the old named Gold Dot and now the named changed Deep Curl to be an advancement in the method of making a more humane and tougher bullet. I do not know who invented 'electroplating' or why they did inventent. But for me, 'electroplating' and then mastering a way to do economocally electroplate copper to lead has been a huge advancement in the durability of a bullet. I partially took away the need for the Nosler Partiton, designed to keep the lead in the copper. Next when Speer computed a way to control expansion, not as effectivley as a Nosler or a Barnes, but far better than the normal lead copper bullet it set the Gold Dot/Deep Curl ahead of most copper lead bullets of the time.
It proved so effective for Speer, and I give a lot of credit for this to the handgun hunting folks and us, the muzzleloading community, that Speer developed a whole line of Gold Dot/Deep Curl bullets both for centerfire and handguns (the Fedreral Government and the court systems promted the name change from Gold Dot to Deep Curl).
From what i have found testing, shooting, and a limited amount of harvest with the Deep Curl, the more modern technolgy, is by far the better bullet to humanely harvest animals with. I am not the only person to come to this conclusion. We still remain the minority as it is extremly hard to move people when they are entrenched - I was one of them I know.
I am a Ford person, I will always be a Ford person - Dodges and Chev's and their little sisters GMC's are not as good. See what i mean and i mean what I say.
I write this hoping not to start another war, but as an explanation...
At one time Round Balls were considered to be the advancement of the age, in fact I would believe that are still some folks out there that truley believe that. I have not done the math to figure out how old Round Balls are, but from the round balls of lead we do have a popular saying "make a big hole"
XTP's are certainly an advancement over round balls, although again some folks would still disagree. XTP's still do the job as demonstrated by several people and the know reputation that XTP's have harvested more animals in the US than and other bullet, and they continue to do so today as there remains more people entrrenched in shooting them than any other bullet. My question or observation is that they might be the Round Ball of our time. I think one gentleman said he had been using them for 31 years (I may have misread that). So I would consider the XTP 'old technology'. Now old certainly does not mean 'bad' no more than the Round Ball being old is 'bad'.
New materials, new technologies, new ideals, new methods - always create problems amoung the old establishment, especially when the old has worked so well for you in the past. And as compared to what you might have used in the past the XTP, price wise and availabilty was certainly the better of other choices.
I consider the the old named Gold Dot and now the named changed Deep Curl to be an advancement in the method of making a more humane and tougher bullet. I do not know who invented 'electroplating' or why they did inventent. But for me, 'electroplating' and then mastering a way to do economocally electroplate copper to lead has been a huge advancement in the durability of a bullet. I partially took away the need for the Nosler Partiton, designed to keep the lead in the copper. Next when Speer computed a way to control expansion, not as effectivley as a Nosler or a Barnes, but far better than the normal lead copper bullet it set the Gold Dot/Deep Curl ahead of most copper lead bullets of the time.
It proved so effective for Speer, and I give a lot of credit for this to the handgun hunting folks and us, the muzzleloading community, that Speer developed a whole line of Gold Dot/Deep Curl bullets both for centerfire and handguns (the Fedreral Government and the court systems promted the name change from Gold Dot to Deep Curl).
From what i have found testing, shooting, and a limited amount of harvest with the Deep Curl, the more modern technolgy, is by far the better bullet to humanely harvest animals with. I am not the only person to come to this conclusion. We still remain the minority as it is extremly hard to move people when they are entrenched - I was one of them I know.
I am a Ford person, I will always be a Ford person - Dodges and Chev's and their little sisters GMC's are not as good. See what i mean and i mean what I say.
I write this hoping not to start another war, but as an explanation...


