mack166

They are back ordered because Speer had to change the whole marketing program for the bullet. Changing the name and the packaging from Gold Dot to Deep Curl. They have not been able to catch up. Plus they have some huge contracts acoss the world theyare trying to fill. The Govenrments always get theirs first. It is getting better.

Part of the reason was the succes of the bullet and the development of the entire line including centerfire bullets, but the other part were court rulings that said you might be liable in court to the victum(s) if you use a bullet for 'Personal Protection" that was labeled as a hunting bullet. Personal Protection bullets must have a completely different design.

Here are some 250g, and here are the 300g.

Here is some 300g that i picked up on the frozen ground behind my target this morning.

Here are some 300 grain Deep Curls recovered from the damp sandy loam behind my 100 yard target. Muzzle velocity was around 1700 f.p.s.



And here's a 210 grain .410 out of my .45 Renegade using H14540RB sabots at around 1900 f.p.s.

ronlaughlin

Ron correct me if i am wrong, but the bullet shown in Ron's picture were shot at targets and not at a surface or object that would caused them to go through normal expansion. It appears most of them were beat up from richochet.

Cause if you look at Ron's pictures and then Semi's you can see the the difference.

I think the difference is the bullets were striking different soils - frozen hard ground vs. damp soft ground.

Also, the hill side behind the target is a slope, not perpendicular to the bullet travel.

Some time a go, i fired the 300g .430 XTP, and the 300 deep curl into the follow juice jug set. The bullets were shot at the jugs from about 60'. The load was 105g of BH209.








The pieces of the XTP were found in the bottom of the 3rd jug. The Deep Curl penetrated through 4 jugs.







The sum of the pieces of XTP weighs 250g.


















The Deep Curl now weighs 262g.

Huh? Link?

Nato

this is what i wrote earlier...

I can give you the link any more it is long gone from my list. The courts have made the decisions on this. As people shooting people with hunting bullets were causing collateral damage to other people and property. They have ruled you are responsible for that damage if you are not using store bought shells that are labeld 'for personal protection' They can not be reloads.

Should be able to look it up on the net.

Holy crap. So I have a load (I should say, "loads of a load"...I have 1000 of them) from Georgia Arms that is a +P load with the Speer Gold Dot bullet (40S&W). I believe it is 1300 FPS...I'll have to check. Anyway, since these are not packaged as "personal protection" or whatever, I could be liable in some way for using them if needed? Or if I roll my own (I am getting reloading stuff for Christmas) self defense rounds, same thing?

Now, is this only in the case of collateral damage, i.e. a 3rd party gets hurt or their property gets damaged? So, if the same happens using a "pre-packaged personal protection load", I am not liable? What if I use my own load on an assailant and he dies? I am liable for his death because my own load was "more lethal" and a prepackaged PP load probably would not have (ha, ha) killed him?

What the frunk???

Sorry, I did not mean to hijack the thread. But I already typed all that and I ain't deleting it.