Thinking of getting one for my son for Christmas. I don't want to spend a ton on one right now, so I'm asking for opinions on what you would advise as a "good" but inexpensive m/l. Not interested in a cheap peice of junk, but at this point I'm not interested in a top quality gun either. If anyone has some suggestions based on experience, please let me know.

I've been checking used also to see what is out there.

Thanks!

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Check out the CVA Wolf for $167 or the CVA Optima with SS barrel for only $225. I have both and both are excellent shooters. The finger removable breech plug is probably my favorite part on the rifles.

+1 on the Wolf. Very nice rifle, good trigger, good fit and finish. The QRBP is awesome- just twist with your fingers to remove the breech plug. I've only shot mine once, so I can't comment on accuracy, but it did decent the first time out.

Thanks guys. Those are actually two of the guns I was eyeballing.

Check out Thompson Center the TC/Impact you can find onsale for around $220 and the z5 Omega I seen one at Walmart for $277 http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/muzzleloaders.php Or maybe look around for a Knight.There's alot of good MLer's on the market to look @.

"Oldenglishoutfitters" has the knight wolverine "youth" model for $150 new in box,starter kit included. these rifles are top notch GMB barrel.very nice stocks,all around quality! bought one for my wife!

TC has some specials going onhttps://secure.tcarms.com/store/spec...muzzleloaders/ look around it all comes down to what you want to buy.

If you like Omegas, this place has some deals. The SS/Black 45 is really cheap and are great shooters. The gray laminate SS 50cal is a pretty good deal too.

http://store.thirdgenerationshooting...fm/2,4277.html

I second the CVA Optima or Wolf
(BP)

I have a CVA Wolf, and love it.