Smokeless Powder ML Failure
#12
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 95
This is nothing new with that model rifle you can do a search and find where seven or eight have really granaded, has something to do with burn out around the breach plug face and the fact that the breach plug is only threaded half way. I'm amazed guys are shooting them
#13
My question is how can that scope look so good after that? I mean it looks brand new
This is nothing new with that model rifle you can do a search and find where seven or eight have really granaded, has something to do with burn out around the breach plug face and the fact that the breach plug is only threaded half way.
This kaboom had nothing to do with the breech plug. It is still in the gun.
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#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: My Range in Central NY
Posts: 320
This is nothing new with that model rifle you can do a search and find where seven or eight have really granaded, has something to do with burn out around the breach plug face and the fact that the breach plug is only threaded half way. I'm amazed guys are shooting them
Please show us your search results, there are only 2 documented cases that I am aware of and I have searched and I also built my own Smokeless Gun . Killed 3 deer wit it this year.
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Have you thought about the possibility of a detonation? We really can not get enough information from what they gave us to determine anything, but you can not help noticing the equal split of both sides, if it was a barrel failure it would be very unusual for it to fail that way. An obstructed barrel or a detonation would fit that pattern though. Lee
Have you thought about the possibility of a detonation? We really can not get enough information from what they gave us to determine anything, but you can not help noticing the equal split of both sides, if it was a barrel failure it would be very unusual for it to fail that way. An obstructed barrel or a detonation would fit that pattern though. Lee
I'm mainly going by the location of the burst. It is way, WAY to far forward for what one would expect with a breech (at ignition) failure. Look at the pics Toby Bridges posted of when his gun "failed" and you'll see the difference immediately.
This is not common folks. As has already been communicated, two instances are known. One "happened" to Toby, who somehow had a gun fragment in his hands without so much as a scratch, immediately after he had a falling out with Savage. The other, this case, is almost certainly an obstruction or unseated bullet from the location of the burst.
It is not uncommon AT ALL for newbies to have misfires -- wrong powder, too loose sabot, etc. A 209 is a powerful primer and could easily move the bullet way down the barrel. Forget to reseat.....BOOM...not the gun's fault.
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
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A detonation is a rare phenomenon, not fully understood that happens with cartridge guns mostly. Its when a hang fire acts like a fully obstructed barrel. The old german gunsmith that work for me told me about it.
A detonation is a rare phenomenon, not fully understood that happens with cartridge guns mostly. Its when a hang fire acts like a fully obstructed barrel. The old german gunsmith that work for me told me about it.
I have had some failures-to-fire with old military 30-06 ammo but never a hangfire in a cartridge gun, so I don't know how the internal ballistics would work with that.
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
It is my understanding that a 'detonation' occurs very rarely if and when a cartridge case isn't near to fully filled with a slow burning powder such as 4831. Some reloading folk will warn the beginner not to use those slow burning powders for 'reduced' loads. I have never been close to such a thing, but it is still spoken of in the magazines. Magazine writers recommend one use 'fast' burning powders for reduced loads, not powders considered 'slow' that are used for magnum cartridges, to avoid 'detonation'.