Seeing as how some of this started due to me making an acronym as a joke , though i think the roots that cause such defensiveness probably run much deeper. Let me also share my opinion. I have 2 CVA's. After I bought my kodiak pro I was not happy. It turned out to be a real lemon. I tried 4 times to get satisfactory customer service and felt that I was not treated fairly and actually treated like an embicel. So I was soured on CVA as a company. I have muzzleloaders from CVA,Knight,T/C,Remington,Traditions,Pedersoli and Lyman. I have 30 years experience shooting and messing around with them. I have come to prefer T'C or Knight. Well after all the CVA debates I felt I would give CVA another chance. I bought a Camo thumbhole stock accura. in 45 cal. On CVA's website it has a comparison between the accura and the triumph, as well as the kodiak pro and the omega. I own all 4 so I did my own comparison. I feel that T/C is a better gun, which it should be for the money. The accura is Ok but doesn't compare to the Triumph,( my opinion of course) at least not in the way they make it seem on their website. Anybody can shoot whatever they prefer. Opinions are just that, opinions. We should be able to give ours without being personally attacked. If someone says T/C is a piece of crap, that is their opinion. That shouldn't give cause to call that person an idiot. If someone doesn't like CVA that should be fine also, they are entitled to their opinion whether it is based on experience or just hearsay. Saying something about a product is different than saying something about a fellow forum member. Bragging about a certain product or putting down a certain product I can handle without a problem, but constantly pushing a product bothers me. So I guess we each have our areas that get to us. I like Barnes,777,blackhorn etc,etc,. I don't like APP,powerbelts ,etc etc. That's based on my years of trying them out and a lot of factors that might not be a factor for anyone else. Bottom line is that we should be able to disagree or share our personal opinions without it being a reason to choose sides and turn it into a character assasination. . I will stop here so the post doesn't turn into a book. I will respond to any comments or you can pm me if you would prefer not to make your response public. Breechplug, I like you even if you shoot a CVA:s2: Every once in a while i take a jab at a certain brand, don't take it personal. Although sometimes it's tempting to get MD on his high horse:s2:

All's good chetmarks and I know you did'nt direct your opinion about CVA's at me. Im not gonna take it personal anymore I know most everyone is just kidding when they say stuff directed at certain brands and that kind of kidding is fun. I myself had 2 problems with CVA and there ACCURA's when I purchased them, I could'nt believe what happened to two different one's but CVA fixed the problem FAST and they replaced both MLers with new ones and in one case sent me a SS/Camo for a SS/BK. Last night when I posted the new Topic about me selling the TC Triumph to the Kid I mentioned your name in it and since then I removed it and rewrote the Topic as it should have been written (befor you wrote this). your a Nice Guy also and I look forward to your replys on the Forum.
Ron (BP)

Again SL - good advice and will try to do.

I have no idea what thread you are referring to but I will say this:

1) I could give a flip what someone that I don't know thinks about me or my equipment, you could be argueing with a 12 year old kid...

2)This board isn't bad, visit some of the others, some of these guys really go at it...These guys are tame compared to some...

3)You want to drive someone crazy, post your experiences/opinions...If they want to argue, let them do so, don't respond...It takes 2 or more to argue...:)

Argue - Heck this is just honest disagreements. A deer would never know the difference as to whether it was shot with a TC or a CVA or a Knight, or whatever. They is just like cars, some good and bad in all of them.
But gee, if you want to really see some arguing, come on over to my house. Me and the wife usually have one brewing somewhere. All it takes is a little nudge to get one started. And I'm usually the one that does the nudging.

Comparisons will always be made, I do not think that is bad It can and should be done in an impersonal way.
I really believe that when some one starts a thread they should be left alone not high jacked some people ask questions and need answers not a bunch of unmentionable slopped on their thread.
I have been wondering if it is possible for the person that starts the thread to delete hijackers that come on that thread; if its not possible maybe if enough of us got together with the right people some thing could be done. Lee

You hit the nail on the head,it's 1 or 2 people doing the same thing over and over.the powers to be on this forum need to step in and squash it.i am new to this forum and enjoy it very much.and to be honest didn't register to see every thread turned into a CVA or bullet advertisment,especially when threads are started that make no mention of neither.

be nice to see some shooting posts from those who, 99% of the time just pick on certain people for what they shoot.

you could not be more wrong,it has nothing to do with what they shoot,it is how they ACT.

I read all the posts, and it seems like everyone agrees that T/C is best :D