I have two friends who shoot it and have put aside their pump shotguns for it. Reliable out to 200 yards. Selection of patch, bullet, and powder is critical.

This review covered a lot of patch-bullet-powder combinations.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2h.muzzleloader.htm

Im not going anywhere.Why leave the best forum to go look for the second, third or tenth best. as soon as i can sell my disc extream and my disc elite im going to buy a savage smokeless pole and start looking for the best load for it.I am on the road alot so dont lurk often but im lurking and can help, Ill put in my 2 cents . Thank again, Rusty