Berraga Barrels
11-11-2009 | 09:36 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
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To each his own. There was a point in time where some of us would say safety rather than brand but even though I still have a bit of shrapnel in me I agree that that time has passed. Now there are a lot of good people that prefer them and I say good luck and I am glad its a free country; I hope it stays that way especially when it comes to guns as they are the first thing to go when a dictator government takes over. Lee
11-11-2009 | 11:29 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
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From: Saxonburg Pa
Im not trying to sway anyone to what they dont like, we all have our likes and dislikes. Whatever you like is fine and for me also. Like I personally Own and Drive only FORDS, I think My Ford Mustang (07) is the Sharpest sweetest car on the road, others like Dodge and Chevy. So have fun and shoot what you like, it's all a matter of preferance.
My Best to you!
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My Best to you!
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11-11-2009 | 01:00 PM
#15
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From: Boncarbo,Colorado
Eh after having to replace cv axles in our 98 f250 and finding that all parts stores, autozone, advanced auto, checker, car quest all have improper fitting cv axles that can cause the front end to lock up, Plus the fact that ford was $460 each, Fords are good for finding nonexistant replacement parts.
I prefer Buicks.
I prefer Buicks.
11-11-2009 | 05:10 PM
#16
Typical Buck
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From: Central Connecticut
I think that CVA's technical ad campaign is designed to appeal to science as the reason for buying a Bergara barrel. No doubt that they're good barrels but we shouldn't begin to think that they're not made without flaws just like every other company's barrels that are made by humans and man made machines and tooling.
And like with any product, the measurement of quality then becomes comparing the number of flaws per 100 barrels as a percentage of total production.
But the fact of the matter is that the proving ground is on paper and there's barrels produced by every maker that will print exceptionally good groups.
A barrel is only one part of the overall performance equation. There's also the bullet, sabot, powder, trigger, action, stock and bedding, scope, primers etc... which can all be critical components.
Since it's obvious that other barrels can perform just as well as the Bergara barrels, then it boils down to personal preference, ad compaigns, which day of the week it is and the buyer's personal daily horoscope.
And like with any product, the measurement of quality then becomes comparing the number of flaws per 100 barrels as a percentage of total production.
But the fact of the matter is that the proving ground is on paper and there's barrels produced by every maker that will print exceptionally good groups.
A barrel is only one part of the overall performance equation. There's also the bullet, sabot, powder, trigger, action, stock and bedding, scope, primers etc... which can all be critical components.
Since it's obvious that other barrels can perform just as well as the Bergara barrels, then it boils down to personal preference, ad compaigns, which day of the week it is and the buyer's personal daily horoscope.
Last edited by arcticap; 11-11-2009 at 05:26 PM.
11-11-2009 | 05:24 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
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From: Northern Chautauqua Co. N.Y.
I think that CVA's technical ad campaign is designed to appeal to science as the reason for buying a Bergara barrel. No doubt that they're good barrels but we shouldn't begin to think that they're not made without flaws just like every other company's barrels that are made by humans and man made machines and tooling.
And like with any product, the measurement of quality then becomes comparing the number of flaws per 100 barrels as a percentage.
But the fact of the matter is that the proving ground is on paper and there's barrels produced by every maker that will print exceptionally good groups.
A barrel is only one part of the overall performance equation. There's the bullet, sabots, powder, trigger, action, stock and bedding, scope, primers etc... which can all become critical components.
Since it's obvious that other barrels can perform just as well as the Bergara barrels, then it boils down to personal preference, ad compaigns and which day of the day of the week it is and a person's daily horoscope.
And like with any product, the measurement of quality then becomes comparing the number of flaws per 100 barrels as a percentage.
But the fact of the matter is that the proving ground is on paper and there's barrels produced by every maker that will print exceptionally good groups.
A barrel is only one part of the overall performance equation. There's the bullet, sabots, powder, trigger, action, stock and bedding, scope, primers etc... which can all become critical components.
Since it's obvious that other barrels can perform just as well as the Bergara barrels, then it boils down to personal preference, ad compaigns and which day of the day of the week it is and a person's daily horoscope.
But all in all the Bergara Barrels are good, hold one and look at the quality within, the inside of the barrel will blind you, they are a thing of beauty.
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11-11-2009 | 05:31 PM
#18
Typical Buck
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From: Central Connecticut
I doubt whether a good polishing job is going to blind anyone any more than a nice paint job on a brand new car.
And you're right that the shooter is also very important to performance, but being human the shooter is like the blowing wind and not easily quantifiable.
No one is saying that Bergara barrels are bad. I'm only saying that there's no proof that they're any better than anyone elses barrels.
Have they set some kind of world records or even won an NMLRA championship?
And you're right that the shooter is also very important to performance, but being human the shooter is like the blowing wind and not easily quantifiable.
No one is saying that Bergara barrels are bad. I'm only saying that there's no proof that they're any better than anyone elses barrels.
Have they set some kind of world records or even won an NMLRA championship?
You forgot the most Important part, A Barrel is only as good as the Person Shooting it, a lousy shooter does'nt make a great barrel good, and vise versa.
But all in all the Bergara Barrels are good, hold one and look at the quality within, the inside of the barrel will blind you, they are a thing of beauty.
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But all in all the Bergara Barrels are good, hold one and look at the quality within, the inside of the barrel will blind you, they are a thing of beauty.
(BP)
Last edited by arcticap; 11-11-2009 at 05:47 PM.
11-11-2009 | 05:51 PM
#19
Nontypical Buck
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From: Northern Chautauqua Co. N.Y.
I doubt whether a good polishing job is going to blind anyone.
And you're right that the shooter is also very important to performance, but being human the shooter is like the blowing wind and not easily quantifiable.
No one is saying that Bergara barrels are bad. I'm only saying that there's no proof that they're any better than anyone elses barrels.
Have they set some kind of world records?
And you're right that the shooter is also very important to performance, but being human the shooter is like the blowing wind and not easily quantifiable.
No one is saying that Bergara barrels are bad. I'm only saying that there's no proof that they're any better than anyone elses barrels.
Have they set some kind of world records?
You win, sorry I never ment to start a fight. Im sure whatever you shoot is just as good, again the shooter makes the shot, and (any) MLer is way better than any shooter shooting it.
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11-11-2009 | 06:06 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
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Breechplug,
Do you shoot conicals from your Accura? The reason I ask is because I wasn't aware the Bergara barrels were button rifled. The Kodiak Pro and Win Apex I own are both cut rifled. Regarding, SS coating, I can tell you these two stainless barrels are solid stainless. They aren't Bergara but they do shoot well. Particularly the Win Apex which has a better trigger. Its not uncommon to get 1" groups at 80 yards open sights. Its tough for me to point MOA beyond that distance with the factory sights and there is typically wind here so things tend to widen beyond that distance.
I do like cut rifling for the conicals though and am curious if you have tested any full bore conicals in your Accura.
Do you shoot conicals from your Accura? The reason I ask is because I wasn't aware the Bergara barrels were button rifled. The Kodiak Pro and Win Apex I own are both cut rifled. Regarding, SS coating, I can tell you these two stainless barrels are solid stainless. They aren't Bergara but they do shoot well. Particularly the Win Apex which has a better trigger. Its not uncommon to get 1" groups at 80 yards open sights. Its tough for me to point MOA beyond that distance with the factory sights and there is typically wind here so things tend to widen beyond that distance.
I do like cut rifling for the conicals though and am curious if you have tested any full bore conicals in your Accura.