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09-15-2009 | 06:19 PM
#51
Boone & Crockett
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Pete D.
Yes - to both... several ML on the market today use the same steel that would be used in a modern day centerfire rifle... the weak point is not the barrel (if you choose the right rifle) it is the breech plug...
Yep, that is exactly what is happening, because the Ruger #1 is not legal for ML hunting or for short range weapons such as shotgun or ML...
It is the same old thing invent something and man will always try to move one step forward with it. It is just human nature.
We have debated the need for more and more velocity ofr years and yet we keep trying to reach centerfire velocities - why because it is humane nature to move forward... why do you think Tony Knight made an inline....
Do not know if this answers anything for you and I have not read the other answers that have been posted yet....
when you say quite a few MLers using smokeless, are you referring to firearms like the Savage that is designed to shoot smokeless or people who have decided to do it?
Why, why, oh why would anyone want to do something like that? I'm not inclined (no disrespect intended to your comment) to view as forward thinking anyone who would take a modern, well made efficient firearm and turn it into something less than it was. I have trouble believing that such a conversion would be more efficient than an equivalent cartridge. Let's say that they use a .45 caliber barrel on a Ruger #1 action. Are they going to come up with something as powerful and easily reloadable as the .45-70 in that gun? I don't think so.
I wonder about that. Smokeless is not nearly as forgiving as BP. Y'now...with BP if you are a few grains extra down the tube, it ain't no big deal. With smokeless....? Where do these folk get their load data? How do they know what is safe? (not saying that it couldn't be - but how do they know). And that question again.....why? Why take a gun and make it harder to use? It ain't as easy to load from the muzzle as it is to slip one into the breech.
We have debated the need for more and more velocity ofr years and yet we keep trying to reach centerfire velocities - why because it is humane nature to move forward... why do you think Tony Knight made an inline....
Do not know if this answers anything for you and I have not read the other answers that have been posted yet....
09-15-2009 | 06:27 PM
#52
Typical Buck
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From: Nebraska
Which smokeless? How do we know BH209 does not have the same properties as one of the dozens of varieties? What I have heard but not confirmed with any reliability is that the plant being used to produce BH209 was formerly used to produce a smokeless powder that is now off the market with VERY similar properties. Cooincidence, no?
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/296979-black-powder-black-powder-suds.html
In particular:
Blackhorn 209 was handed to me. The mfg. claimed it was not a smokeless (nitrocellulose) powder. So I had at it in the kitchen with different solvents. Turned out TO BE a nitrocellulose powder with 17 parts of an unidentified chemical used to tone it down in the gun. The unknown chemical is highly soluble in water. I just saw no need to spend another day or two in the kitchen to identify it. And given the price per pound I figured it simply was out of the picture. After reading a post or two in this thread I might just take another look at the 17 parts of the unidentified water-soluble chemical and see if that would cause corrosion.
I rest my case, councilor you may question the witness
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Last edited by LaneNebraska; 09-15-2009 at 06:36 PM.
09-15-2009 | 06:43 PM
#53
Boone & Crockett
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LaneNebraska
I remain partial to your first offereing... the nose knows!!!
BH-209 is a great smokeless progressive burning powder with some really good attributes, and if you can aford/justify it use go for it....
BH-209 was developed by General Dynamics in Canada-here is the parent company web site
http://www.generaldynamics.com/
I remain partial to your first offereing... the nose knows!!!
BH-209 is a great smokeless progressive burning powder with some really good attributes, and if you can aford/justify it use go for it....
BH-209 was developed by General Dynamics in Canada-here is the parent company web site
http://www.generaldynamics.com/
Last edited by sabotloader; 09-15-2009 at 06:45 PM.
