I think I have my grandson set up with the basic needs of muzzleloading and now I want to get one for myself. The Knight Vision looks like it may be a bit better rifle than the Tradition I was looking at and that is where I am leaning. I have a Seeadler Optik 3x15x56 German scope I took off my .270 when I upgraded to a Zeiss a few years ago that is really a nice scope. It mounts a few millimeters higher than a 40 mm scope, but I don't think it would be a major problem other than maybe looking a bit top heavy. Do you think this would work out or should I wait and get an Elite 3200 or something similar?

timbercruiser

At this point I would definetly suggest the Vision vs the Traditions. If you do get one the first thing I suggest you do is try a variety of different primers to make sure they go off. If they do not it is really an easiy fix.

Second the scope... Your German scope certainly will work but like you, I think it might be a bit over powering... Your inclination to a 3200 - very good scope... I think I have 4 or 5 of them. I would suggest one with a ballistic reticule.

Another scope I really would suggest is the new Leupold Ultimate Slam - dang good one!!!

I kinda shy away from the Nikon Omega series (it is really a great scope with good optics) but, with the long eye relief it offers - to achieve that long eye relief you have to give up a few feet of 'field of view' and I like field of view. But I would say from the two scopes you listed as already owning you are probably not a recoil shy person and a regular 4" eye relief would work just fine.

I too would suggest the knight over the Traditions. Its just a better rifle over all. Although, Knight has technically went out of business. But a poster just informed that they contacted Traditions and was told their Remington Genesis was not going to be serviced. So keep that in mind. Service is a very important issue. Knight (to my understanding) is still servicing rifles.

As for your scope.. what's the eye relief on that German Scope. The reason I ask is, these rifles do come back at you. I personally like at least a 3.75 inch eye relief or better. I have shot scopes with less then that, but I hate when they kick back and hit the brim of my hat. Why, I don't know. It's a mind thing with me.

The scopes I really favor are the Nikon Pro Staff in 2-7x32mm, Nikon Omega, and Bushnell 3200 although I normally look for a 2-7x32mm optics. The reason is, my shooting is close and personal. I am more likely to be shooting on 2x or 3x unless sitting. Even then the 2-7x32 gathers great light and allows me to get those last couple of minutes in. What I sacrifice in field of view, I really don't care. I do not take running shots, and most of my shots are a walker, grazer, or stander. I have plenty of time to pick and place my shots, or I just do not take them. The 2-7 does all of that.

Also I hate to spend a fortune on scopes. If I can stay under $200.00 on my better rifles, I am happy. Funny thing is, I have been shooting a 4x Simmons Pro Diamond on a rifle and could not be more pleased with the performance of the scope and how well it is holding up. It cost $29.00. So there you go.

You sound like someone that likes quality. So I would shoot for the Knight, there is also a Knight Rolling Block on sale as Sportsman's Guide right now for $150.00 a great deal. And then a good Nikon scope and you would be all set for out to 150 yard shooting.

Like Dave said, check the eye relief. I would hate for you to get scope cut on your first shot. A lot of people like the Leupold Ultimate Slam but I don't have any experience with it. I do have plenty of experience with the Nikon Omega 3-9X40 with BDC reticle. IMO it's an outstanding scope with great clarity and is quality built. I don't seem to have any issue with a lack of field of view but I'm not very picky when it comes to scopes.

I have the Kight Vision with a Leupold Ultimate Slam. I went with the Leupold over the Omega for two reasons. One is the name, quality and warranty of the Leupold. The second reason is that with the Leupold you can use any bullet to calculate your ballistic table for the ballistic reticle and the Omega was bullet specific.

But if price is a little high and you ned to come down, I have used
Bushnell Banner ML scopes in the past and they are very realiable, clear, and very reasonalbe as to price.

Oh yeah, The Sportsman Guide has the Kight Vision on sale at a very attractive price. Here is mine: