Well... I had to get some...
03-19-2009 | 04:14 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
ORIGINAL: Grouse45
I'm really excited now.
I have tipped bullets coming that were put in the same bullet. The BC will be Awesome i bet. Excellant report Sabotloader.
BTW- The bigger Boattail on the 250grn bullets are being changed to the 200grn and the 300grn bullet posted by sabotloader. That should end any confusion with sabots. I had no problems at all with regular sabots either way.
I'm really excited now.
I have tipped bullets coming that were put in the same bullet. The BC will be Awesome i bet. Excellant report Sabotloader.BTW- The bigger Boattail on the 250grn bullets are being changed to the 200grn and the 300grn bullet posted by sabotloader. That should end any confusion with sabots. I had no problems at all with regular sabots either way.
03-19-2009 | 05:17 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
Grouse45
Look what I found - forgot I even had them... 45/300 grain Barnes Expander MZ... as compared to the Lehigh..
They line up pretty decently with each other....
Dang! wish I had time to go run the torture test... hopefully early next week....
Look what I found - forgot I even had them... 45/300 grain Barnes Expander MZ... as compared to the Lehigh..
They line up pretty decently with each other....
Dang! wish I had time to go run the torture test... hopefully early next week....
03-19-2009 | 05:23 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
SW
Course I can not shoot any big game animals with it until Septemeber but I do have a gruesome test that I will shoot them into first. If they survive that test then - I would consider using them on an elk - just got to get time to go out and run the test.
At this point - visually allI can say they look very good. How ever they are manufactued they are doing a bang-up splendid job.
If the California lead ban spreads (and I am afraid it will)they would also be another alternative to look at also.
Course I can not shoot any big game animals with it until Septemeber but I do have a gruesome test that I will shoot them into first. If they survive that test then - I would consider using them on an elk - just got to get time to go out and run the test.
At this point - visually allI can say they look very good. How ever they are manufactued they are doing a bang-up splendid job.
If the California lead ban spreads (and I am afraid it will)they would also be another alternative to look at also.
03-19-2009 | 05:28 PM
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
ORIGINAL: Old/New
I'm not sure if those flats will add strenght to the front of the bullet to impede expansion or act to aid more rapid expansion. I guess we will find out soon enough.
I'm not sure if those flats will add strenght to the front of the bullet to impede expansion or act to aid more rapid expansion. I guess we will find out soon enough.
03-19-2009 | 05:39 PM
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
Old/New, Sabotloader, and a bunch of other people. Thanks for taking the time to try something different. One Deer, One Pig, etc wont make it a great bullet. It takes multiple harvests and reports in the field to know how good they really are.
03-20-2009 | 02:27 AM
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
Grouse, and others, about the boat tail, as I look at the bullets it is difficult to tell if the base of the 250 LH is any smaller than the heavily radiased coyote bullet (sst). I think any sabot that worked well with them coyote bullets will work egualy well with them LH's. Them 300s look good, you might try a very light knurl on the LHs to get them to grab the sabot better, I have not had as good accreacy from bullets with lube grooves, I know the groves aren't for lube on the 300 but they are basicly the same as a Cast Bullet with grooves. just a very light roll between 2 files will do it. Just so it grabes the sabot btter, to hold the twist of the rifling.
03-20-2009 | 03:07 AM
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RE: Well... I had to get some...
ORIGINAL: sabotloader
They came yesterday... At first glance they are an awsome looking bullet. I am not a machinist nor a bullet maker but these things are made to look really good. They look like a perfect diamond - I mean really pretty.
I orderd three varieties... the 10 mil/200 grain, the .452/250 grain, and then I went off the deep end and ordered the .458/300 grain as that is the bullet I use for elk hunting.
The 10mil/200 is the one that has my attention more than than the other two. I am thinking if I were going to pay a premium price for a 10 mil bullet it might be this one vs. the SST/SW. OH yea! you all should know that I am not a pointy bullet fan when it comes to ML projectiles. 200 yards is my self imposed limit so I really do not need the pointy bullets. But back to the 10mil. One thing that I really think that will be an advantage is the two rings around the bullet. It should really help the slick brass projectile grip the sabot and prevent the sabot from spinning without turning the bullet, especially at the initial explosion.
I did not realize the the .452/250 had somewhat of a boat tail base - so I am not sure how that will shoot in a regular flat based sabot. Again I do like the ideal of the rings.
The .458 is a huge bullet - physically much larger than I expected, in fact it is to large to use during our ML season as we have the 2x bore diameter rule, but during regular rifle season it would be available since I do not use a regular rifle any more at all.
Why did I get these? I think Grouse already proved they can be shot accurately, but nobody knows how well they will work on big game. My plan is to shoot them in to my torture medium @ 100 yards and dig them out to see what they look like. I have example of recovered Noslers, Speers, and Hornadys that I can compare them with.
If you look at the nose of these you can see on the outside there are no cuts to aid in the formation of petals as expansion first begins. This really concerned me, but if you look in the nose there are six flat surfaces with a small groove separating each flat surface - so I assume this is the apparatus that starts the formation of petals. To invision what I am talking about it looks like you could insert the correct size of allen wrench riht in the nose and turn the bullet.
Here is a picture that shows the Lehighs as compared to more common bullets.
Gotta love experimenting during the non-hunting season
They came yesterday... At first glance they are an awsome looking bullet. I am not a machinist nor a bullet maker but these things are made to look really good. They look like a perfect diamond - I mean really pretty.
I orderd three varieties... the 10 mil/200 grain, the .452/250 grain, and then I went off the deep end and ordered the .458/300 grain as that is the bullet I use for elk hunting.
The 10mil/200 is the one that has my attention more than than the other two. I am thinking if I were going to pay a premium price for a 10 mil bullet it might be this one vs. the SST/SW. OH yea! you all should know that I am not a pointy bullet fan when it comes to ML projectiles. 200 yards is my self imposed limit so I really do not need the pointy bullets. But back to the 10mil. One thing that I really think that will be an advantage is the two rings around the bullet. It should really help the slick brass projectile grip the sabot and prevent the sabot from spinning without turning the bullet, especially at the initial explosion.
I did not realize the the .452/250 had somewhat of a boat tail base - so I am not sure how that will shoot in a regular flat based sabot. Again I do like the ideal of the rings.
The .458 is a huge bullet - physically much larger than I expected, in fact it is to large to use during our ML season as we have the 2x bore diameter rule, but during regular rifle season it would be available since I do not use a regular rifle any more at all.
Why did I get these? I think Grouse already proved they can be shot accurately, but nobody knows how well they will work on big game. My plan is to shoot them in to my torture medium @ 100 yards and dig them out to see what they look like. I have example of recovered Noslers, Speers, and Hornadys that I can compare them with.
If you look at the nose of these you can see on the outside there are no cuts to aid in the formation of petals as expansion first begins. This really concerned me, but if you look in the nose there are six flat surfaces with a small groove separating each flat surface - so I assume this is the apparatus that starts the formation of petals. To invision what I am talking about it looks like you could insert the correct size of allen wrench riht in the nose and turn the bullet.
Here is a picture that shows the Lehighs as compared to more common bullets.
Gotta love experimenting during the non-hunting season
and these the 300: http://lehighbullets.com/products.asp?cat=24
The 300 are not on sale. Smart they are selling sabots separate, since you then get best fit for your gun and don't have to guess. They look beautiful. I like the "Barnes MZ" type design,since they will open up quickly. Barnes MZ are on sale at Knight's site for $14 for 18 bullets:
http://www.knightrifles.com/productdetail.aspx?id=326468
http://www.knightrifles.com/productdetail.aspx?id=326469
Barnes are sold as "Red Hot" by Knight.
Since the 300g Lehigh are$65 for 50, I will wait until they are on sale. I thought they had 20 packs, where are they?
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