300 xtp or gold dot?
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Boone & Crockett
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From: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
Here are the entrance and exit wounds from an 84 yard broadside hit on a 100 lb. doe300gr Gold Dot (#3974) with a muzzle velocity around1650 fps.
ENTRANCE

EXIT
#12
Fork Horn
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From: Fair Haven, NJ
+1 to What Cayugad said re: Hornady vs Speer in terms of accuracy.
I shoot a Knight Elite and T/C Omega. My buddy shoots the Encore. We found:
1. 300 Hornady XTP's (.452)- very accurate up to 100 yds..good penetration on deer.. good blood trail
2.300 Speer Gold Dot (also .452)- pretty goodgroups.
3. 270 Speer Gold Dot (.429) - groups open up after 50 yds.
My favorite & most accurateout of the Knight is the Barnes 250Expander and the 285 Spitfire.
I shoot a Knight Elite and T/C Omega. My buddy shoots the Encore. We found:
1. 300 Hornady XTP's (.452)- very accurate up to 100 yds..good penetration on deer.. good blood trail
2.300 Speer Gold Dot (also .452)- pretty goodgroups.
3. 270 Speer Gold Dot (.429) - groups open up after 50 yds.
My favorite & most accurateout of the Knight is the Barnes 250Expander and the 285 Spitfire.
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Nontypical Buck
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I have a question, are those gold dots from animals?
I have a question, are those gold dots from animals?
Chap
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I wanted to see which bullet you all thought would be best for deer in the 100-150 pound range and hogs. Most of the hogs I have seen would go under 200 pounds with the average "good eatin size"being around 100 pounds. I am looking at using the 300 grain xtp or 300 grain gold dot and didn't know if everyone felt better about one than the other. The load is going to be roughly 100 grains of loose pyrodex RS in a black harvester crush rib sabot. I sent my broken Knight Shadow back in (great customer service by the way) and received the new Knight Extreme that I ordered in its place, so that is what I will be hunting with. I'll try to post some pics of it soon - I really like that gun. I am thinking of using 300 grain bullets for a better chance at pass through since the areas I hunt are very dense. Shots should average around 50-60 yards with some being as close as 20 and some stretching 115 or so. Thanks for your input.
I wanted to see which bullet you all thought would be best for deer in the 100-150 pound range and hogs. Most of the hogs I have seen would go under 200 pounds with the average "good eatin size"being around 100 pounds. I am looking at using the 300 grain xtp or 300 grain gold dot and didn't know if everyone felt better about one than the other. The load is going to be roughly 100 grains of loose pyrodex RS in a black harvester crush rib sabot. I sent my broken Knight Shadow back in (great customer service by the way) and received the new Knight Extreme that I ordered in its place, so that is what I will be hunting with. I'll try to post some pics of it soon - I really like that gun. I am thinking of using 300 grain bullets for a better chance at pass through since the areas I hunt are very dense. Shots should average around 50-60 yards with some being as close as 20 and some stretching 115 or so. Thanks for your input.
1) accurate--accuracy is king---no accuracy, no confidence in placing your bullet in the vitals
2) penetration is queen, must have 12" or more, for killing power
3) expansion is prince, since with expansion you get large wound channel and maximum blood flow to brain and vital organs which causes quick death (i.e boom flop and DRT)
4) shoot thru, is required in my mind because you want great blood trail and small 45 cal hole going in when your shooting down and no exit hold means deer loss, since there is little blood from a single hole and if it is high, then ya got issues.
So gotta have all 4 for an "excellent bullet" in my mind. Flat nose well constructed bullet are best within 150, for 150 to 200 yards best to use a Barnes TMZ, T-EZ, bonded SW, Parker Ballistic Extreme or Barnes Origonal.
Chap
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Nontypical Buck
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My favorite & most accurateout of the Knight is the Barnes 250Expander and the 285 Spitfire.
My favorite & most accurateout of the Knight is the Barnes 250Expander and the 285 Spitfire.
Chap
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There is one thing that no one can deny; if you can not hit an animal in the right spot you are not doing the job right.
The first requirement is reasonable accuracy, two identical guns may need different bullets to get good consistent accuracy.
I use XTP's in the system One and the Thunderhawk, The Omega shoots Gold Dots and SW's The Triumph shoots Gold Dots and SW's and FTX's the FTX has not been tested on any thing as far as I know except that I am happy with the accuracy the first time out if it continues to be that accurate AND provides penetration and expansion it may well be my go to bullet. Some of my guns do not shoot some of these bullets with good consistent accuracy so I do not use them in that particular gun. The only other point I wish to make is that I use the XTP at 1800 FPS or less; they are not nearly as effective if they are over driven and come apart.
The first requirement is reasonable accuracy, two identical guns may need different bullets to get good consistent accuracy.
I use XTP's in the system One and the Thunderhawk, The Omega shoots Gold Dots and SW's The Triumph shoots Gold Dots and SW's and FTX's the FTX has not been tested on any thing as far as I know except that I am happy with the accuracy the first time out if it continues to be that accurate AND provides penetration and expansion it may well be my go to bullet. Some of my guns do not shoot some of these bullets with good consistent accuracy so I do not use them in that particular gun. The only other point I wish to make is that I use the XTP at 1800 FPS or less; they are not nearly as effective if they are over driven and come apart.
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For those that know ballistics and use chronographs...
for a .44 .430 diameter 300 grain XTP.. What do you think it a optimal velocity for that projectile, how much Pyrodex RS would be needed to achieve that kind of velocity, and would that work busting bone?
for a .44 .430 diameter 300 grain XTP.. What do you think it a optimal velocity for that projectile, how much Pyrodex RS would be needed to achieve that kind of velocity, and would that work busting bone?
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Giant Nontypical
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There are some Varibles, but my experance is that 90 or 100 gr [1750fps]of RS is all I want behind a XTP. I had trouble with them Seperteing from the jacket and breaking up real quick with 110 or more. Lee
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Fork Horn
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From: Webster NY.
Cannot offer opinion on Gold Dots, never shot them. Used 300gr XTP's the first year I bought my Savage. Three double lungers, no expansion what so ever, all 3 traveled less than 50 yds before expiring with little to no blood trail. Exit wound same size as entrance. They did shoot very accurate out of my gun though.


