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Breechplug

Ah! heck bring the lab... Idaho allows dogs and good friends. My son-in-law has 5 labs... I once made a mistake and asked him why he had so many... He is an avid upland game hunter, he then proceeded to 'splain to me each if his dogs had a certain job to do and they were very good at what they did fer hunting pheasents, duck, & geese. Crap I did not know you could unionize labs...

I really do like northern Idaho, I HUNT elk - love to hunt elk quit work and retired to hunt elk... I also will hunt deer but it more like they gotta find me to get shot. Started hunting turkeys a couple of years ago also - but gots lots to learn there.... and I love to shoot - do not realy care what i shoot - just like shooting - drives my wife nuts...

I am now waiting for May to get here - UC said Knight is introducing a new rifle in May built on the the Disc Extreme system - but with a closed bolt and a 'disc-less' operating system. I put my first penny in my piggy bank to start saving just a few minutes ago- gotta have one...

Oh! if you get out this way you ken bring ur lab and certainly your wife is welcome also, but if ya come here ya might not leave - way to much open country to hunt.

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Your right, I probably would'nt leave. I have tasted Elk a few times and I must say I'd trade it for Venesion anyday. We went on a BowHunting trip to the Upper P of Michigan and a buddy brough some Elk, from that day on I was hooked, plus it only takes 1 Elk to fill the freezer. Do you Bowhunt? I'd love to get one with the Bow, Im a Bowhunter by heart but started ML Hunting for the love of the one shot only and been hooked on that ever since. Started huntink Turkeys 20 years ago when nobody hunted them, it was nothing to get 5-10 longbeards at once to come in, shot many a Turkey. Gave it up in the last few years, after you shot as many Turkeys as I have it gets boreing afetr awhile, not like Deer & Elk, with Turkeys a 22-24 pounder with a 11" Beard and 1 1/2" spurs is about as big as they get here, then you dont get bigger, with Deer it's anybodys guess what might show up. Have a-lot of private land to hunt birds but for now I just call em in for friends, plus after awhile getting up at 3;30 am starts to wear you down. Oh I forgot to mention, not that hunting Turkeys is al that boreing, I did go from the trusty 10 to the bow for em, and got about 11 with the bow. I learned a trick if anybodys reading this and wants a bird with a bow.....set up your decoy out in front of you and stand behind a tree and call, when the bird comes in he'll see the decoy and walk right passed you and then fan out, he never see's you when he fans out, then just aim for the rear where the tail feathers connect and wham, a nice close shot! Going into town and then check on the T7, catch ya later on........Ron ......and keep saving them pennys for the new Knight, sounds like a nice one, one can never have too many ML's

RE: What's the best ML Propellant?
 

Breechplug

Here is last years harvest... Got her in "Larch Snag Draw" in Idaho...




It does make an impact on the freezer..

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Well the trip to the Pro Shot only got me the T72f, I'll call Alan for the sabots and Cabela's for the 10mm XTP's. Well you answered my question as to weather or not 120gr. of T7 is enough for long shots, the Elk proves it. Buy the was congratulations on the Elk, I can almost taste em! Are the 10mm 200gr.HP XTP's good enough for Whitetails? I been using the 240gr.XTP's and they have done more than I could ask for. I should have put this togeather awhile ago, being a Life Menmber of the I.B.O. and a Triple Crown Shooter Ialready knowthat lightening up on the fieldtip and lighter arrows gives you flatter trajectory, but for Hunting you want a heavier arrow/broadhead combo for better penetration, it's pretty much the same with the ML execpt you get a-lot more power from the powder. So what do you think of the 10mm.200gr.HP-XTP with 110-120gr. of T7 for a Whitetail/Coyote load? I kinda want to stay with the same load for this ML as it will be My Long Range Hunter and in the off season I want to keep in practice with Coyote's, so when next Shotgun Season rolls around them Whitetails will look huge and the shot's will be right on. Can you ML hunt during SG Season? Do you even have a SG season or is it just rifles? If it's rifle season can you use ML's? We have a fifle season here, but not in our county, we voted it out, we want to keep the deer take to a minimum, but Im afraid next season they'll allow it here. Whatever the case, I gave up rifles and Shot Guns and went Traditional years ago, it's more fun!

RE: What's the best ML Propellant?
 

Breechplug

Good you got some.. I am really interested in what you find when you shoot it.... Check this thread to see how i make my windex patches...'just barely moist'

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3302972

I beleive they are - I have not shot them at a whitetail... Idaho rule says the minumum bullet size for a ML and big game is .429. Lee on this board has used them on whitetail as well as a few others.... look at this ballistic print out...



I have shot them a bunch at targets and rocks and even recovered a few from the dirt- amazingly they hold together better than the bigger XTP's. I have also shot a few 'peepers' (ground squirrels) with them - you know when you hit them but you have to walk over and look for parts and bits - cause there is not much left.

We do not have a SG season here. We do have a very short ML season but no scopes, no 209's, and no copper. During that season I go to a TC Renegade with a Green Mt. LRH barrel and shoot 460 grain Bull Shops. I have several really nice centerfire rifles but I do not use them anymore - I hunt all year with a ML, during rifle season I use a scoped, 209 shooting modern inline. I am so old I can get to the greatest elk spots anymore so the ML works just fine for me and after spending 28 working of the US Forest Service here I have a couple really good pet spots here. Most people just bypass them headed deeper into the woods...

I am not a bow hunter - my son-in-law picked up the sport a couple years ago and is totally hooked - I am trying to stay away cause I do not want to spend the money getting outfitted and leanring a new trade - i want the money to be able to buy that new Knight ML they are coming out with this spring.

Good Shooten'

mike

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Already looked at it and have some extra empty TC No13 Bore Cleaner Patch cans to use for em, nice tip! Check out my reply to the forum on (sighting in a new scope) and tell me what you think of my (Line Sight) way. It really works. I'll let you know how I make out when I get all the rest of my stuff. My second ACCURA will be here in the morning, I cant wait to get the XTP's and Sabots to try everything out!

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Our season (gun) runs from the Middle of November to the middle of December, than a Late ML season for 9 days, we can use ML's throught the whole gun season. A few years ago the ML rules changed here, from patch and round ball and no scope, to Sabots and a Scope, so that's why that's all I use. I understand on the Bow Issue, $1200 for a new bow is crazy! then you have to buy everything else, when your done you have around $1700 into it, and a year later you'll be lucky to get $500 for the Bow,,,,,,,Im gonna check the rules for sabot size here..........

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I checked our ML rules and all it says is that it (must be a single projectile loaded through the muzzle having a bore of .44 inches or larger) So it looks like them 10mm 200gr HP-XTP's will be fine. Since I already have about 300 of the 240gr.HP-XTP's how much difference will the 40gr. make??? If I need that little, they should be about the same should'nt they???

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Mike, I forgot to ask you, It's been awhile since I used loose powder in the poorboy with patch&round balls. When I loaded the ball on the powder I used to push it onto the powder and when I felt it seat I would then throw the ram-rod down the barrel untill the ram-rod bounced out of the muzzle, then I was happy it was seated good enough. Since a few years back now when they allowed scopes and sabots, I gave up loose powder in place of Pyro-pellets. My question is I have bever seated a sabot on loose powder, how do you know whe it's properly seated? Thank's....Ron

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Did some more checking on the 200gr XTP's, looks like I need to stay with the .45cal .452"dia 240gr.HP-XTP Mags to be in the right specs?? mabey Im wrong.....but the Ones I been getting are the TC 240gr. HP XTP Mags and I dont see them listed. Did Hornaday make the bullet special for ML use only??? and only available in the TC bubble pack. The ones listed in Cabela's are just the 240gr. XTP Mag's, No HP????