When does a bullet fragment?
01-03-2009 | 10:37 AM
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Typical Buck
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RE: When does a bullet fragment?
i have shot several deer with a barnes bullet as well as my hunting partners. we have only recovered 3 bullets the rest ended up in the dirt. i have never seen or heard of a lack of penetration because of prontal surface on a barnes bullet. now the accuracy of a barnes bullet is not as great as say a shockwave in my experience. i assume it's due to the lack of setback in the barrelupon firing. but for shots within say 125yds this minor lack of accuracy is not an issue as long as your shot is steady and you do you job.
01-04-2009 | 03:55 PM
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RE: When does a bullet fragment?
ORIGINAL: dalberg
excellent post and links Chap! Shed some light on things.
Doug
excellent post and links Chap! Shed some light on things.
Doug
Chap
01-04-2009 | 04:35 PM
#23
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From: Comance county, OK
RE: When does a bullet fragment?
There are any number of good bullets out there that will do a fantastic job on deer anddeer sized animals and i will not knock them. May even try a couple of themsome day. Shoota deer sized animal right and a PRB will do a fantastic job. Shoot them wrong and the best heavy conical will probably not get it done.
When Lewis and Clark made their trek across the NW US they encountered thenastiest animal that ever inhabited the great plains. The plains grizzly bear could catch a running buffalo and was the embodiment of mean:They would come after a man 100 percent of the time.Those bears gave the Lewis and Clark expedition fits. The expeditionwas chased into riversmany times bythe bears. They shot one 11 times before it died. Lewis and Clark really did needa heavy conical.
That bear has long been extinct.
i once had the displeasure of tracking a hog that a friend gut shot with his.300 Win Mag and a 180 grain bullet. Now that bullet developswell over 3,000foot pounds of energy at the 75 yard range where theboar was shot. The hog did not even stumble at the shot.Friendinsisted thathe had missed but i saw dust fly off the big boar and made him go after the animal.That hog went for over a half mile, bleeding little before we jumped it out of a plum thicket. Friend gut shot it again and the hog went about 200 more yards before it expired.
My fine friend claimed not to know how to field dress a hog and wanted me to do it.Had a better idea; gave him instructions in field dressing a hogwhile he gagged with every breath: That hog had been eating wheat and was filled with green stinky goo.He still sometimes hunts with me but not for hogs. Then i gut shot one last winter, but i got it.
Peace
When Lewis and Clark made their trek across the NW US they encountered thenastiest animal that ever inhabited the great plains. The plains grizzly bear could catch a running buffalo and was the embodiment of mean:They would come after a man 100 percent of the time.Those bears gave the Lewis and Clark expedition fits. The expeditionwas chased into riversmany times bythe bears. They shot one 11 times before it died. Lewis and Clark really did needa heavy conical.
That bear has long been extinct.
i once had the displeasure of tracking a hog that a friend gut shot with his.300 Win Mag and a 180 grain bullet. Now that bullet developswell over 3,000foot pounds of energy at the 75 yard range where theboar was shot. The hog did not even stumble at the shot.Friendinsisted thathe had missed but i saw dust fly off the big boar and made him go after the animal.That hog went for over a half mile, bleeding little before we jumped it out of a plum thicket. Friend gut shot it again and the hog went about 200 more yards before it expired.
My fine friend claimed not to know how to field dress a hog and wanted me to do it.Had a better idea; gave him instructions in field dressing a hogwhile he gagged with every breath: That hog had been eating wheat and was filled with green stinky goo.He still sometimes hunts with me but not for hogs. Then i gut shot one last winter, but i got it.
Peace
01-04-2009 | 06:36 PM
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RE: When does a bullet fragment?
ORIGINAL: Skopia
If a bullet manufacture publishes specific bullet velocities for a given bullet, does that mean if you keep that bullet within those parameters it should not fragment?
For example: I have been shooting the Hornady .430 240gr xtp these past two years with great success. Over 90 gr 777 I'm somewhere between 1700 and 1800 fps. (I'm guessing).Hornady publishes in it's velocity performance table a velocity rating between 900-1800 fps. Are we to assume that if kept within that range that bullet will perform as designed and not fragment on impact? If not, what is that information supposed to mean?
If a bullet manufacture publishes specific bullet velocities for a given bullet, does that mean if you keep that bullet within those parameters it should not fragment?
For example: I have been shooting the Hornady .430 240gr xtp these past two years with great success. Over 90 gr 777 I'm somewhere between 1700 and 1800 fps. (I'm guessing).Hornady publishes in it's velocity performance table a velocity rating between 900-1800 fps. Are we to assume that if kept within that range that bullet will perform as designed and not fragment on impact? If not, what is that information supposed to mean?
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_wildlife/lead/bulletstudy/resources/publicsummary.pdf
see page 4 on bullet fragmentation. Good read on wound channel and as close to a statistically designed study as I have seen. Wildlife depts are concerned about lead in meat, Hunters for Hungry Program, etc to the public. Good pictures of bullet design.
Chap
