Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
12-22-2008 | 08:42 AM
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Fork Horn
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Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
I purchased a quik-kee magnetic mount for my Hawkins .50 percussion cap (sold by dixie gunworks),mounted an inexpensive2x scope I had in my spare parts box. Although I have read that this mount is stable and can be removed/replaced without having to resight, I haveyet to get it zeroed in after about 15 shots.
My gun shootsfairly good patterns at 50 yards, but I have been unable to getthisscope/mount to repeatably hit the paper, each follow up shot is at best 6" - 8" from the last shot.
Iwould like to ask what the likelyhood of the scope not holding the adjustment would be. Trying to decide whether to ditch the mount or the scope, but want to try to avoidthrowing money at the wrong component. Is there any way to test a scope to be sure that it is holding the adjustment?
Thanks,
Rick C.
My gun shootsfairly good patterns at 50 yards, but I have been unable to getthisscope/mount to repeatably hit the paper, each follow up shot is at best 6" - 8" from the last shot.
Iwould like to ask what the likelyhood of the scope not holding the adjustment would be. Trying to decide whether to ditch the mount or the scope, but want to try to avoidthrowing money at the wrong component. Is there any way to test a scope to be sure that it is holding the adjustment?
Thanks,
Rick C.
12-22-2008 | 09:07 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
Maybe, but I think you'd need a very acurate bore laser. You could compare your laser reading to your crosshairs after each shot to see if the relationship changes.
IfI were you and I knew the load was accurate, I'd verify if the mounts were tight and not moving (I've never heard of these mounts). If they were, I'd scrap the scope.
IfI were you and I knew the load was accurate, I'd verify if the mounts were tight and not moving (I've never heard of these mounts). If they were, I'd scrap the scope.
12-22-2008 | 09:13 AM
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
I'm drawing some assumptions as I'm not familiar with the mount, but it is held on by magnets only?? Maybe for a .22 or something but I would not trust it on a ML.
The only way to tell for sure on the scope is a) the laser option mentioned, or b) mount it solid and check it that way. I can't think of a way to test it as-is.
The only way to tell for sure on the scope is a) the laser option mentioned, or b) mount it solid and check it that way. I can't think of a way to test it as-is.
12-22-2008 | 09:16 AM
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
I'm not familiar with that mount Rick, so I looked it up on the Dixie site http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7612. After reading the description I would suspect the mount is at fault rather than the scope. We often discuss the merits of steel vs. aluminum mounts, and some guys don't trust aluminum mounts that are screwed down to the barrel. I just don't see any way a mount that is held to the barrel magnetically and with straps can remain stable shot to shot.
With the scope mounted, is it totallyimpossible to move it with your hand?
With the scope mounted, is it totallyimpossible to move it with your hand?
12-22-2008 | 09:32 AM
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
ORIGINAL: Semisane
I'm not familiar with that mount Rick, so I looked it up on the Dixie site http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7612. After reading the description I would suspect the mount is at fault rather than the scope. We often discuss the merits of steel vs. aluminum mounts, and some guys don't trust aluminum mounts that are screwed down to the barrel. I just don't see any way a mount that is held to the barrel magnetically and with straps can remain stable shot to shot.
With the scope mounted, is it totallyimpossible to move it with your hand?
I'm not familiar with that mount Rick, so I looked it up on the Dixie site http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7612. After reading the description I would suspect the mount is at fault rather than the scope. We often discuss the merits of steel vs. aluminum mounts, and some guys don't trust aluminum mounts that are screwed down to the barrel. I just don't see any way a mount that is held to the barrel magnetically and with straps can remain stable shot to shot.
With the scope mounted, is it totallyimpossible to move it with your hand?
12-22-2008 | 09:40 AM
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
The mount actually does move after each shot (which instructions say is normal), just press back in place against the reference point (breach plug)before the next shot.
12-22-2008 | 01:27 PM
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RE: Problem sighting in - scope or mount?
ORIGINAL: Rick C.
If they are saying that is normal, they are also saying it is normal for them to sell you a crap product. There is NO WAY that is accurate. The only non-solid mounts I have ever seen that hold zero are Leupold or Warne quick release rings, and even them some people report a small (.5-1in at 100 yd) variation in zero with them.
If it moves with recoil, it is crap. If you want to be able to remove it, go with one of the above quick-release systems. If the gun is not drilled and tapped, you don't have much option except to visit a gunsmith and get it done.
The mount is magnetic, but there are also set screws used to create a pressure fit as well against the side of the barrel. The mount presses in place on the barrel, takes a bit of a jerking motion to pull it off of the barrel. I was skeptical, but was told that this mount should not have issues with accuracy like I am seeing. The mount actually does move after each shot (which instructions say is normal), just press back in place against the reference point (breach plug) before the next shot.
ORIGINAL: Semisane
I'm not familiar with that mount Rick, so I looked it up on the Dixie site http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7612 . After reading the description I would suspect the mount is at fault rather than the scope. We often discuss the merits of steel vs. aluminum mounts, and some guys don't trust aluminum mounts that are screwed down to the barrel. I just don't see any way a mount that is held to the barrel magnetically and with straps can remain stable shot to shot.
With the scope mounted, is it totally impossible to move it with your hand?
I'm not familiar with that mount Rick, so I looked it up on the Dixie site http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7612 . After reading the description I would suspect the mount is at fault rather than the scope. We often discuss the merits of steel vs. aluminum mounts, and some guys don't trust aluminum mounts that are screwed down to the barrel. I just don't see any way a mount that is held to the barrel magnetically and with straps can remain stable shot to shot.
With the scope mounted, is it totally impossible to move it with your hand?
If it moves with recoil, it is crap. If you want to be able to remove it, go with one of the above quick-release systems. If the gun is not drilled and tapped, you don't have much option except to visit a gunsmith and get it done.
The mount is magnetic, but there are also set screws used to create a pressure fit as well against the side of the barrel. The mount presses in place on the barrel, takes a bit of a jerking motion to pull it off of the barrel. I was skeptical, but was told that this mount should not have issues with accuracy like I am seeing. The mount actually does move after each shot (which instructions say is normal), just press back in place against the reference point (breach plug) before the next shot.
