This BH209 suff.......
09-02-2008 | 07:55 AM
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This BH209 suff.......
It'll take a helluva BP substitute to break me off of Goex FFg, but I've a fairly open mind....grins.
Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size?
Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either......
FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them.
I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard".
Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all?
Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............
Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size?
Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either......
FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them.
I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard".
Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all?
Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............
09-02-2008 | 09:30 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: This BH209 suff.......
ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony
It'll take a helluva BP substitute to break me off of Goex FFg, but I've a fairly open mind....grins.
Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size?
In a word, YES
Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either......
According to the people who make it 70 gr wt is equal to 100gr of FF black in volume
FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them.
You just stated the reasons BH is better than the other subs
I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard".
The only one I consider as hard is 777, it might beconsidered "easy" because it is noncorrosive and you can use hoppes # 9 and do it in a half doz patches; what the real differance is is that it shoots best if not wiped between shot not even a lot of shots.
Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all?
Yes it smokes, the smoke is a bit lighter in the sense that it blows away in a breeze faster.
Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............
It'll take a helluva BP substitute to break me off of Goex FFg, but I've a fairly open mind....grins.
Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size?
In a word, YES
Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either......
According to the people who make it 70 gr wt is equal to 100gr of FF black in volume
FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them.
You just stated the reasons BH is better than the other subs
I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard".
The only one I consider as hard is 777, it might beconsidered "easy" because it is noncorrosive and you can use hoppes # 9 and do it in a half doz patches; what the real differance is is that it shoots best if not wiped between shot not even a lot of shots.
Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all?
Yes it smokes, the smoke is a bit lighter in the sense that it blows away in a breeze faster.
Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............
09-02-2008 | 09:49 AM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: This BH209 suff.......
BH209 is the real deal. It is a good powder in MY rifles. The grains are all the same size, and you use a volume measure like any other powder. Easy to clean... yes, but it does make a mess with the breech plug grease.
If you have good luck with Black Powder, stick with it. I shoot black powder 90% of the time in my rifles... I don't mind the mess.
If you have good luck with Black Powder, stick with it. I shoot black powder 90% of the time in my rifles... I don't mind the mess.
09-03-2008 | 12:36 PM
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Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: Virginia
RE: This BH209 suff.......
Im picky also and I made the switch... I really like how easy the stuff cleans up. T7 had a tendency to stick really hard to the barrel/breech. The BH normally comes off with just a wipe of a moist patch. As for smoking I would say its about 30-40% lighter than normal BP. As said above, it blows away really quick so you can see what you just shot at.
Its good stuff
If I wasnt so picky, I'd still use T7, but I take every inch I can get
Its good stuff
If I wasnt so picky, I'd still use T7, but I take every inch I can get
09-03-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Spike
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: PA
RE: This BH209 suff.......
Well, actually #11 caps do ignite BH209 but not instantaneously. They create a hang fire similar to a really poorly tuned flintlock. My tests were with an MK-85 with a #11 TC Flamethrower using RWS #1075 plus #11 caps on an 80 degree F day. I do not recommend using BH209 outside the recommendations on the bottle, but I just had to try it for myself.
I have a Ruger 77/50 but I have not tested BH209 in it. On the back of the BH209 bottle they show a "not approved" 209 breech plug that is very similar to the breech plug design used in the Ruger 77/50 209 conversion kit from Cabela's. I may tinker with it in the future but for now I am very satisfied using T7 in my Ruger 77/50 with #11 caps.
I have a Ruger 77/50 but I have not tested BH209 in it. On the back of the BH209 bottle they show a "not approved" 209 breech plug that is very similar to the breech plug design used in the Ruger 77/50 209 conversion kit from Cabela's. I may tinker with it in the future but for now I am very satisfied using T7 in my Ruger 77/50 with #11 caps.
