lemoyne

No, I use the HPH24. But that really does not mean much as its hard to find two barrels the same. What really suprised me was it wont shoot the same sabots the gun likes with 777. I dont kow if its just my barrel or if BH dont work well with Crush Rib sabots. Lee

UtahRob

Shot the BH 209 today in my Encore .
Cleaning was aAMAZING , three wet patches and one dry, that's what i did between shots with pyrodex .I did not touch the barrel between shots and every shot loaded as easy as the first. No blow by , and the breech plug cleaned up spotless without solvent . I only shot at 50 yards . I definitely need a 1x scope . My bifoculs just don't cut it, I could see the target but not my sight or the sight and not the target . I only tried 95 grains of BH 209 and used the 300grain XTP , and Winchester primers .

The shot at 4 o'clock was all me , i jerked the trigger !!

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lemoyne

Sounds like you have the same age-eye problem I have, the scopes work fine the new single glass imaging sights wil do a good job if you dont want any magnification the red dots are ok except at dusk and dawn so they are not bad for target shooting but tricky for hunting. Let us know how you do with the BH 209. I just finished my second can have gotten groups from 1/2 inch to 3 inches @100 yds [with a scope and a bench] and found it seems critical to have the right sabot and that the gun still likes the same bullets but what I really like is getting rid of those flyiers that used to turn up with out reason some times and the fact you can go on a hunting trip and not have to clean every time you shoot it. Lee

bowbender6

The machine shop at vocational school where I teach in the process of having students make sabot gauges. .503-.506 to push sabots through to test fit. Just like in my Savage the sabot fit is one of the keys. I had one set and it worked pretty well. I lent them to another guy. They are trying to run them on their CNC lathe using reamers. If it works out I should be able to make them available for cost of materials

Here is a pic

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blackheel

Glad to hear it did ok in an Encore. Anyone tried the Hornady SST's with the ez-load sabots yet?

lemoyne

bowbender6, Let us know, I have dig. calipers and a mic, that will measure in the 3/10,000 but plastic that gives is very difficult to measure accurately. I know there is some differances in molds and lots and I would like to be able to track the changes with less difficulty.

blackheel, I tried them in my Triumph and am going to try them in the Omega so far they do not work near as well with BH in my guns as HPH24, using a 250 Gold Dot in good conditions I have gotten several 1/2 inch groups out of 5 trys [now bad for me] but the ezloads give me a fairly cosistant 2"+. Lee

Bigtimer

I have 4 containers of BH209 and a brand new CVA Optima Pro that I plan to shoot tomorrow after church. I'll be shooting MMP-24s and a Nosler .451 260 grain HP. I have to "break in" the barrel first with some conicles and JB's bore paste. I can't wait to see what happens.

Ray

lemoyne

Bigtimer
A suggestion, try several different sabots at home with the breach plug out just push them through if they are easy to load they wont shoot good if they are so tight that they are difficult to load they proably wont shoot.
Its not that any particular sabot is better than any other but that barrels run from .496 to .504 and you have to match the thickness of the petals of the sabot to the barrel. The TC guns will usually work with a Crush Rib or a HPH24 [one or the other. the Harvester black short and long are close to the HPH24. The black Knight sabot or MMP 12 usually work in the Savage or the Knight or the Red Crush Rib. If it fits your gun try the blue 50/40 with a 200gr XTPbullet or the 200gr SW they have ahoot some amazing groups for me at 150 yds and are the flatest shooting bullet I have ever shoot in a muzzle loader. Lee

burntmuch

lemoyneHow come the 40cal 200 gr xtps shoot so much better that the gold dots. Are they longer

Bigtimer

So if they are too loose that won't shoot well and if they are too tight, they won't shoot at all? Sounds like I wasted $150.00 on powder.[:@] Sorry, I just don't quite understand what you are saying[].

God Bless,

Ray