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cayugad 03-02-2008 08:30 AM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
Those originals seem to do real good. From all I have read they are a deadly load on about anything you want to hunt. So it is a good load and rifle you have there Chap. I can understand the appeal of the Savage for sure.

gleason.chapman 03-02-2008 11:38 AM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 

ORIGINAL: hossdaniels

Oh there it chap, nice shooting. I couln't get it to come up on the savage forum.
Got to my web site, www.the-gleasons.com. Click on the Savage Link, then click on the Barnes Origonal linknear the bottom of the page. Chap

cayugad 03-02-2008 01:29 PM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
The Shockwaves really were accurate, as were the Hornady 300 grain XTP. And the Parker Extremes do real well too. I know nothing about smokeless powder, but with them Shockwaves and that powder charge, what kind of velocity would you be getting out of it?

falcon 03-02-2008 04:38 PM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
Very good shooting.

gleason.chapman 03-02-2008 05:13 PM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 

ORIGINAL: cayugad

The Shockwaves really were accurate, as were the Hornady 300 grain XTP. And the Parker Extremes do real well too. I know nothing about smokeless powder, but with them Shockwaves and that powder charge, what kind of velocity would you be getting out of it?
Here is what the manual says for XTP and SSTbullets, which was same as a SW. I am sure any 300g bullet will be about the same.
Chap



hossdaniels 03-02-2008 05:23 PM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
Something about those numbers chap, from the reports I've heard they are about 100-150 fps high. As blackpowder shooters we are all aware how manufacter's push the truth a little bit. When I first tried shooting at 300, I was about 4-6" lower than I expected. Others told me the velocity I was expecting wasn't really that high. I dont have a chrony, but I should get one.

gleason.chapman 03-02-2008 06:47 PM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 

ORIGINAL: hossdaniels

Something about those numbers chap, from the reports I've heard they are about 100-150 fps high. As blackpowder shooters we are all aware how manufacter's push the truth a little bit. When I first tried shooting at 300, I was about 4-6" lower than I expected. Others told me the velocity I was expecting wasn't really that high. I dont have a chrony, but I should get one.
Rgiht I remember some of the guys saying the 5744 was about 1900 or something like that. Chap

skeeter 7MM 03-03-2008 12:53 AM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
In my savage I have shot a other powders but these are all I have in my notes at hand that have chrono's facts for more then just one or 2 testings.

250gr SST/SW/XTP's

43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)

250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)

300gr SST/XTP

43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me.;) Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)

Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.

gleason.chapman 03-03-2008 05:45 AM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 

ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM

In my savage I have shot a other powders but these are all I have in my notes at hand that have chrono's facts for more then just one or 2 testings.

250gr SST/SW/XTP's

43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)

250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)

300gr SST/XTP

43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me.;) Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)

Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.
I have some H4198, and my first shot with it was a very loud "crack", and I could tell immediately with the 300 grain bullets that it was stout. I was shooting 66g, I believe. What bullet are you going to stay with for your Savage, your excellent shooting SW/SST/XTP or the Barnes MZ with the 43g of 4759? I like the Barnes hollow points for under 100 yard hunting, I don't think that they can be beat, for >100 yards then the Barnes Origonals are my choice, so that is what I am leaning to. If they Barnes Origonals retained 100% of weight I would stay with them. Chap Gleason

Redclub 03-03-2008 07:09 AM

RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
 
I use the barne's originals 300 grain ssin my Savage and they shoot great, Its the only bullet that I will ever use. I believe that the original is a very tough bullet and you have to push them. I shot several deer and never recovered a bullet. All pass thru's. I am very fortunate in that I purchased several lifetimes of these bullets when they were relatively cheap :DI use 60 grains of N120 with an orange sabot. That is a stout load tho.;):D
Redclub


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