thanksguys i am thinking a tc omega or trumiph or a knight
also i would be up for a smokeless what would you guys recommend in that line up

Smokeless (Savage )

[quote]ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i am in sullivan south of terre haute which is about 80 or 90 miles south west of indy [quote]

I get over that way....my youngest son goes to ISU in TH. Good fishing around Sullivan!

cva optima elite. Its like an encore only its no where near as expensive and you can buy centerfire/shotgun barrels for it. They have a nice looking 45-70 barrel out for them...
www.budsgunshop.com has the best prices.

ya thats why i moved here for the hunting and fishing [quote]ORIGINAL: oldrookie

[quote]ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i am in sullivan south of terre haute which is about 80 or 90 miles south west of indy

I own 2 T/C MLs and would not say ANY brand is "hands down". We should all be willing to admit that there are several brands making quality guns and a lot of it will come down to personal preference.

I have never owned a Knight yet would recommend either T/C or Knight for a beginner. I am biased a little against the break-actions due to accurization concerns but that again is a personal preference factor. The comment I will make on the Encore is people buy them because you can switch barrels, yet I know few people who actually do that.

I'd look at the Omega or a Knight if I could recommend one. I would be interested on the opinions of anyone who owns a T/C with the new "speed breech", it is an interesting concept yet I won't be buying a new ML anytime soon so I'm interested to hear how they work and last under use.

I should add that a lot of what your setup will look like depends where it will be used. I have one gun for wide open fields, and another for carrying in the woods.

Also here in Indianapolis. I would recommend the cva's, TC, and Knight. Those are all the brands that I've actually hunted with. Currently I hunt with CVAs, Usually a wolf or optima. The wolf is a good rifle. Its inexpensive and I've taken afew deer with mine over the past two seasons. My only complaint about mine is that the ram rod is kinda cheap. I got mine with a scope and starter kit included for $220ish. The optima is alittle better rifle. It has afew more of the bells and whistles. I think it runs around 250 to 300

A Savage 10ML 2, 50 cal, blue or stainless with a thumbhole stock is beautiful and accurate as heck.

Here is the rifle:
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Buds Gun shop has them:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=savage+10+ml+2 &osCsid=363f052507d3afb52fb406a8285f9006&x =13&y=8

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