Working up a load – Advice
#11
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
I'd recommend the 195gr Dead Center if you don't mind the cost. I got it to shoot well in 1-28" twist from a Traditions, 1" 100yd groups, at 100gr powder (2000 fps). It would not shoot well in my Omega, however, at any powder charge despite similar twist. Even at 100gr is will shoot pretty flat.
Cecil will be happy to give advice, it's nice that he is so accessible to ask,but always confirm with your shooting. Each gun is different, and when I told him my Omega would not shoot DC bullets accurately over 1800 fps he essentially said he did not believe me so I get my advice on the target range now even for his bullets. That and that bullet drop comparison test of theirs was so rigged and dishonest I haven't bought bullets there since (though I'm sure I'll eventually get over it, the bullets are good even if the marketing tricks are not).
Cecil will be happy to give advice, it's nice that he is so accessible to ask,but always confirm with your shooting. Each gun is different, and when I told him my Omega would not shoot DC bullets accurately over 1800 fps he essentially said he did not believe me so I get my advice on the target range now even for his bullets. That and that bullet drop comparison test of theirs was so rigged and dishonest I haven't bought bullets there since (though I'm sure I'll eventually get over it, the bullets are good even if the marketing tricks are not).
#12
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
I agree 99%. My 50 omega doesn't shoot any of his bullets good.Cecilsaid 300 grain shocwave was a copy of his 300 gr dead center. The 300 Gr shockwave shoots under 1" out of my omega but his 300 gr is 3-4" group. I did get the 175 Duplex Dead Center down to about 2-3" @100yrds with 100 gr T7, more powder and the group open up. And killed 3 deer this year with it I have some 195 Dead center to try but they are 50 cal. I did find some old knight .357 bullet sabot for .45. I think they are not avalable but thanks for the tip. I could use the 195gr .357 that I have with the knight sabots and see what happens. I mind the cost but I am loving to shoot and it takes a lot of time to shoot a muzzleloader so you don't go through that many bullets.
#13
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
I have not been able to get those DC lead bullets to shoot over 1800 fps either I think they up set to much.
Bowbender 6 the fit of the sabot is often the most critcal part of geting an inline to shoot, to loose or to tight will open groups right up, consider trying some different sabots. Lee
Bowbender 6 the fit of the sabot is often the most critcal part of geting an inline to shoot, to loose or to tight will open groups right up, consider trying some different sabots. Lee
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
The 300SW a copy of the 300DC, that's rich. His own drop competition lists them as having different diameters and significantly different drops. Not to mention the obvious lack of a boattail on the 300SW.
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
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Thanks - I starting with 100 gr T7 in my new .45. So far only 175 power belt is under 2". I got more bullets to try. 200 Shockwave. I think I started to high tryning to save time and bullets and hoping they would group.
Thanks - I starting with 100 gr T7 in my new .45. So far only 175 power belt is under 2". I got more bullets to try. 200 Shockwave. I think I started to high tryning to save time and bullets and hoping they would group.
After reading the posts,Why are you looking at such small bullets? Have you considered trying conicals?
2" groups with 100 grains triple 7 and that tiny 175 grain powerbelt is pretty damn good IMO! However, It will more than likely give u horrible performance on game due to fact it is such a small bullet and you're pushing it way over its limits. Have you ever recovered any of the little yellow plastic skirts? Im curious as to what they looked like.
223 grain powerbelt Platinum
225 grain powerbelt copper series
275 grain powerbelt copper series
300 grain powerbelt platinum
285 grain great plains conical
255 grain TC Maxi Hunter Or Maxiball
Seeing how you did so well with the 175 grain powerbelts, I'd consider one of the heavier 223+ grain powerbelts over a Maximum of 80 grains triple 7.
90 grains Max with the 223 or 300 grain Platinums.
#16
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RE: Working up a load – Advice
Sorry for the confusion, I shoot the deer with 175 grain dead center. I just got this .45 and tried some PowerBelts. I read your other posts but haven’t had time to try less powder and heavier bullets. I want to be confident at 150 –200 yard with 10mph wind. Small bullets = more speed = less time in flight = less wind deflection , also = bullet fragmentation and poorer performance. Right now I am just playing.
#17
RE: Working up a load – Advice
It took me awhile to work a load up in my CVA .45 - plenty of trial and error. Couple tips - start at a lower powder charge, 80 grains and then work up. Try switching primers- I found that for whatever reason, federal primers shot much more consistently than the kleenbore primers I had been using. CVA's tend to like powerbelts forsome reason- so that might be an option.
225 grain Powerbelt + 80-90 grains of 777 should give you good performance out to 150 yards.
If you're set on having a flat-shooting 200 yard gun, you'll probably need to stick with shockwaves, dead centers, or something along those lines. But if you can't get them to group, then I would suggest ditching them for something like a 225 or 275 grain powerbelt or 200 grain XTP with a lower powder charge and limit your shots to 150 yards.
225 grain Powerbelt + 80-90 grains of 777 should give you good performance out to 150 yards.
If you're set on having a flat-shooting 200 yard gun, you'll probably need to stick with shockwaves, dead centers, or something along those lines. But if you can't get them to group, then I would suggest ditching them for something like a 225 or 275 grain powerbelt or 200 grain XTP with a lower powder charge and limit your shots to 150 yards.