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gleason.chapman 09-29-2007 07:37 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 

ORIGINAL: Moebedda

I was looking at buying a new muzzleloader this year. I aquired some new hunting property and my old flinter won't cut it. I have the ability to take some very long shots that I have never had before. It's rolling farm fields mixed up with some good wood lots, fence lines, a swamp, overgrown orchard, etc. It's a hunter's heaven, and I have a full square mile to hunt and all only 10 minutes from my house. In Michigan, that's pretty hard to do.

At any rate I am looking for a muzzleoader that will reach out, and have been doing a lot of reading and looking. I was kind of set on the Omega, but I didn't want a synthetic stock. I like my stuff to look good, and to me, synthetic looks cheap. I didn't care for the grey laminated thumbhole stock either. I liked the limited edition rose/black/tan stock they had, but can't find one anywhere.

I found the Lyman on accident while browsing Cabelas. It's a beautiful looking gun. The price seems very good, Lyman has been around for a while. I wanted to know if this was a shooter or not? I liked the fact that it seemed a little heavier than the rest as well.

Cabelas has it weighing 8 3/4 pounds but on Lymans website it shows 7.5 pounds. Can anyone confirm one of those numbers?

Is it capable of good groups @ 250 yards?

Anyone try it with a Nikon Omega scope? I was thinking of putting that scope on there.

I have shot all of my deer(21 bucks and 30+ does) within 80 yards. I have never shot over 80. Most of my deer are archery kills so I really would like to shoot a couple over 200 yards and finally have the opportunity to do it, but I'm not trying to break my wallet either.
The Savage 10ML has a Thumbhole stock (and is one beautiful gun) and with 250g Shockwave or Parker Ballistic Extremes are capable of shooting 250 yards. Over on Doug's Savage Forum (Google it), there is a fellow named Herman, from NC, who shows consistent 2.5", 3"groups at 300 yards with 250g SW. I forget what powder he was shooting, but smokeless is more powerful than 3 pellets in just about any inline. MV of 2500 FPS is common, and I have heard of some shooting 2900 to 3000. You should google Doug's Savage Forum, and hang out reading some of the thread, you will find several that shoot 200 and 250 and even 300 yards. Chap Gleason

Moebedda 09-30-2007 11:37 AM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 

the Omega, but I didn't want a synthetic stock. I like my stuff to look good, and to me, synthetic looks cheap. I didn't care for the grey laminated thumbhole stock
This Savage looks exactly like what I'm looking for. A little pricey, but I wanted a nice looking gun that shoots well. I also love the idea of using smokeless. No more cleaning after every hunt and it will last forever.

cayugad 09-30-2007 11:53 AM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
I don't own a Savage, but I personally think that would be a great choice.. It will be all the muzzleloader you will never need.

Moebedda 09-30-2007 12:20 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
It's to bad Austin & Halleck are not around anymore. They had some fine looking guns. Curley Maple for a gun stock cannot be beat IMO. It would be nice to find a Austin & Halleck 420 fancy grade in stainless.

Underclocked 09-30-2007 04:44 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
To my knowledge, the A&H rifles were not made in stainless. They offered blued or nickel plated. Some of the A&H barrels produced very good accuracy and you are right about the beauty of those maple stocks, but the A&H bolt is/was a finicky thing with many owners having adjustment issues. The length of the bolt added a lot of length (and extra weight) to the rifle. I owned 2 of the 320s and 1 420 but neverhad one I really considereda keeper.Cleaning that action was also a bit of a pain.

This rifle is about to hit thedistributors (per Knight) and I think it looks great (at least in the pics). I'm guessing it's going to be a winner. The biggest negative I'm aware of is the non-adjustable trigger - -there's always a hone. :)
There are some choices in design I would have made differently but Knight has apparently done a great job with this one. All the write-ups I've seen from those that had the opportunity to handle and shoot one have been extremely positive.

Just another for you to consider since you have yet to purchase a rifle.

gleason.chapman 09-30-2007 06:17 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 

ORIGINAL: Moebedda


the Omega, but I didn't want a synthetic stock. I like my stuff to look good, and to me, synthetic looks cheap. I didn't care for the grey laminated thumbhole stock
This Savage looks exactly like what I'm looking for. A little pricey, but I wanted a nice looking gun that shoots well. I also love the idea of using smokeless. No more cleaning after every hunt and it will last forever.
Here is a guy shooting a Savage 300 yard, look at the groups:

http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thre ad=1191183062

A bit pricey? No, you can get a blue barrel, but you said you wanted a SS and you wanted "pretty", so with "pretty" you get pricey. Here is a comparison of the Savage to the Pro Hunter, since you mentioned pricey. I don't think you can beat the Savage for out of the box accuracy.
Chap Gleason






gleason.chapman 09-30-2007 06:41 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 

ORIGINAL: Moebedda
A little pricey, but I wanted a nice looking gun that shoots well.
nice looking, see this.

Shoots well, I shot this group the 3rd time I had my rifle out:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/TC_Shockwave_300g_2007_06_02_AA5744_44g_FederalPri mer_default%20sabot.jpg

I have NEVER shot a 100 yard group like that in my life, with any gun. I am an average marksman. In my mind from what you said, I think the Savage is the gun for you. Chap Gleason



Semisane 09-30-2007 07:40 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
Just got home from a week-end at the hunting lease (shooting the Mustang), so I'm a little late on this thread. However, I will echo wabi's comments regarding the Mustang. Mine certainly is not a 250 yard gun. In fact, at 100 yards, the best loads in my old TC New Englanderwill equal the Mustang's best loads. That said, I like the gun. Don't know why - maybe'cause it's so damn finicky that it gives me lots to experiment with. It's a fine 100 yard gun with lots of loads, but no tack driver.

Underclocked 09-30-2007 08:26 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
Is the Savage even legal to use in Michigan?

Muzzleloading Deer Seasons
During the December muzzleloading seasons, muzzleloading deer hunters can carry afield and use only a muzzleloading rifle, a muzzleloading shotgun, or a black power handgun loaded with black powder or a commercially manufactured black powder substitute.


http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10366_37141_37706-31578--,00.html

Moebedda 10-01-2007 04:59 PM

RE: Lyman Mustang opinions??
 
Smokeless sounds like a good commercially manufactured black powder substitute to me.


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