has anyone had any exp.with 265gr.452 swift also hornady 265gr. 44cal.i use both in my knight elite,i use hornady to practice&swift 265 to hunt with.my personal op.the swift is best bullet for deer of all bullets that i have used.i have thied lots of different bullets in my 44years of muzzle loading..

old ww5

Welcome to the forum... hope some of the information you get here is helpfull to you...

I have not shot either bullet that you asked about personally. But I also know that a freind of mine loves his Swift A-Frames would not change for the world. Therefor we have a problem, because I shoot .451/260 grain Nosler Partitions and I nothey are the best - so you can see the problem. I have no doubt that the 265 Swift, if it is an A-Frame, is an outstanding bullet...

I use to, or should day I have tried, shooting 44's from my 50 cal ML's but could never get the consistent accuracy from then as I do the .451/.452 or even .458 sized bullets.

When i first started I went right to the 44's because of their higher BC's but itdid not always work for me, then I convinced myself that the higher BC was not that relevant over the short distances that I shoot a ML.

My inexpensive bullet of choice and has also worked well as a deer hunting bulletis the Speer Gold Dot .452/250 grain.

Since I am in Idaho and my real choice of hunting is elk - I do switch to a .458/300 grain Nosler Partition PP bullet for elk or a 300 grain Gold Dot. The BC of the Gold Dot is up there .232 and it flys great.

Welcome to the forum. Its good to have you here. With all your years of muzzleloading experience, we can learn a lot from you.

I never tried the Swift bullets. I looked at them in the catalogs and they look like a well constructed bullet. It will be interesting to read any range/field results you might have.

the swift 265gr.-452 dia is an frame bullet,it expands without comming apart-the a frame bullets nosler or swift both are very dependable they work as advertized they cost more but no surprises.handgun bullets are not as dependable.my knight shoots great with 250gr.barnes 240 xtp mag.hornady 265 swift-this is with 80 to 90 gr.trip7 2f no problems with different 209 primers mild or hot -i have range that i shoot at 80yds using 1 sand bag hard to hold still so crosshairs move but i get 1in.to 1.25in.with these bullets.now i have been using hornady4300 pn..430dia 265gr fp-interlock to practice this is rifle bullet 444mag. i have no idea if this bullet will work well to hunt..

old ww5

Well, I would argue that point a whole lot. It really depends on which bullet you choose. As an example the Gold Dot is a bonded bullet and doesstay together in some tough situations. The Noslers are hand gun bullets and they offer the same toughness as the barns or the swifts, alsthough i do shoot a .458(45/70) bullet for elk. The only hand gun bullet of 44/45 cal 240 grain and above that I have ever had a problem with is the Hornady when shooting it into a dirt rock medium it will strip the lead from the copper - including the interlock. But, that hasn't got a whole lot of relevance when shooting animals. There has been more deer killed with a 240 grain Hornady pistol bullet than all of the rest of the ML bullets, but I do not like it so I do not shoot it.

My loads are a little different than yours.... I shoot 110 grains of T7-2f in the inlines (only shoot 100 grains in my 24" Remington) but everything else shoots 110 grains.

Can not imagine why they would not.... the 240 to 270 class bullet is probably the most popular size bullet for deer class animals.

A lot of people are now shooting the Hornady 200 grain 10mm bullet and getting tremendous down range performance both on paper and animals. Then again that is a hand gun bullet but the 200 SST or Shockwave is gaining a huge group of supporters. When you can shoot a ML bullet @ 2400 fps from a ML - that adds up to a bunch of energy and trajectory.

Welcome to the forum.

The 265 grain .429 bullets were designed for the .444 Marlin. I have a friend whouses the 265 grain Hornady in his .50 Encorewhen going after deer, hogs and elk. This is a reallygood bullet. Amsure that the Swift is just as good or better.

I second the motion on these. I have just tried them recently with the MMPs HPH 50/40 Blue sabots and they work great in my Savage with Hornady 200g XTPs. I am using smokeless so vel is probably a bit higher than you get with BP, but these things are the most accurate load I have found with my rifle.

the 265 hornady 44cal groups areappox.2+in at 80yds.the spent sabot travels much father than 45cal. sabotalso sabot has thicker pedals than 45cal. maybe a hotter load would help this dont know yet..also have several different 300 grain 45 cal bullets including speer gold dot, hornady xtp mag 300 to try in knight elite will try to find something that works..

I shot the 300g XTP Mag as a practice bullet in my origonal Knight Disc, which I believe is 2" shorter barrel than your elite using 100g of 777 loose and a Federal or Winchester primer.I was getting about 2.5 to 3" groups with it at 100 yards. My son has the Knight Disc Elite (maybe it is a Master hunter--I forget) in stainless, he shots the XTP Mags 300g last year with 2 777 pellets and had excellent performance with them. They have a large following in the Savage world, since that is the bullet the Savage 10ML2 was designed around. I like them because of price, $14 for 50 bullets at MidSouth Shooter's supply. I agree with Sabotloader on close shots they end to loose their jacket, reducing weight and penetration, however the weight of the lead is more than enough to kill a deer. The lead seems to stay together and not fragment, which again would hinder penetration into the vitals.Ian McMurchy who wrote "Modern Muzzleloading for Today's Whitetails":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873419510/qid=1114882877/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-8867395-7390420?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

is a huge fan of the XTP, both in 260g and 300g.

Randy Wakeman, who loves Barnes bullets, but considers the XTP an underrated bullet:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/underrated_hornady_XTP.htm

and givea lot of ballistics and design characteristics of various bullets andhe says

"For the dollar, it offers the most performance that can be had in a muzzleloading projectile."

I would agree with that statement. So >>if<< they are accurate in your gun, they are very difficult to beat, unless price doesn't matter to you thenobviouslythe Nosler, A-Frame, Barnes or Bonded SW, or "designer bullet class" will be your projectile of choice.

Anyway greetings, welcome to our campfire and we look forward to your wisdom, 44 years is a lot of ML years. I only started MLing 8 years ago, but really love it, and love learning more aboutthis art,sort like bow hunting when I was younger.Chap Gleason