BUFFALO 375 SSB AT 200 YARD ?
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I did try it yesterday at the range it did impress me
My load was
T/C THUNDERHAWK 50 CAL 3X9X40MM MILLET SCOPE
BENCH RESTED
TRIPLE 777 85 GRAIN CHARGE
375 BUFFALO SSB BULLETS AND RWS 1075+ CAPS
3 SHOT GROUPE IN AROUND 5" AT 200 YD WITH A CROSS WIND AROUND 10 NOTS.
The gun shoots at the 100 yd target 3" over center never touched the shope but held over at the 200 yard seem the bullet has an 18" drop on paper and all 3 shots were about 5" to the left
I got home clean the inline and returned it to the safe shot the rest of the day at the range with my flinters,funny things happen never could understand first 5 shots out of the 50 cal. flinter at the 100 yd target nice groupe 5 shots maybe 3" groupe,then all hell broke loose could of been the cross wind
My load was
T/C THUNDERHAWK 50 CAL 3X9X40MM MILLET SCOPE
BENCH RESTED
TRIPLE 777 85 GRAIN CHARGE
375 BUFFALO SSB BULLETS AND RWS 1075+ CAPS
3 SHOT GROUPE IN AROUND 5" AT 200 YD WITH A CROSS WIND AROUND 10 NOTS.
The gun shoots at the 100 yd target 3" over center never touched the shope but held over at the 200 yard seem the bullet has an 18" drop on paper and all 3 shots were about 5" to the left
I got home clean the inline and returned it to the safe shot the rest of the day at the range with my flinters,funny things happen never could understand first 5 shots out of the 50 cal. flinter at the 100 yd target nice groupe 5 shots maybe 3" groupe,then all hell broke loose could of been the cross wind
#2
Lonewolf, that is some good shooting there. 85 grains of powder might not seem like much, but for a Whitetail it would be plenty still. A five inch group is a Whitetail killing group. I guess the deer better put out new warning markers around your stand... It would be interesting to run the ballistics on that load.
The five inches to the side would be because of the cross wind I am guessing. A cross wind really plays the devil on most muzzleloader bullets. Even at the 100 yard station. I was shooting yesterday and the wind was gusting pretty strong and all the shots, while in a good group (for the most part) were to the right about an inch and a half.
I thought about getting out one on my flintlocks yesterday, but really wanted to test the American Pioneer Powder in another rifle. So I brought out the knight rifles and shot from them. Maybe today I will take out the flintlocks and throw some roundball around.
Also I found a chunk of maple firewood that must have fallen off the wagon when I was hauling in on the road of the range. It was about 12 inches in thickness. I was shooting 100 grains of American Pioneer 2f and a 250 grain Shockwave and wanted to see if it would penetrate that. Not even a sign that it would come through. I shot a couple rounds into it. A second projectile I put into that stump was a 200 grain Hornady XTP 10mm. I think today I will split that chunk of wood and see if I can recover the bullets and also see how deep they penetrated.
Those 375 grain Buffalo SSB's are a good bullet. I talked to a person that elk hunted with them shooting 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f out of a Black Diamond XR. While the shot he had was only 60 yards he said the internaldamage that bullet did was very impressive. The elk managed to walk, if I remember, about 30 yards and just layed down dead.
The five inches to the side would be because of the cross wind I am guessing. A cross wind really plays the devil on most muzzleloader bullets. Even at the 100 yard station. I was shooting yesterday and the wind was gusting pretty strong and all the shots, while in a good group (for the most part) were to the right about an inch and a half.
I thought about getting out one on my flintlocks yesterday, but really wanted to test the American Pioneer Powder in another rifle. So I brought out the knight rifles and shot from them. Maybe today I will take out the flintlocks and throw some roundball around.
Also I found a chunk of maple firewood that must have fallen off the wagon when I was hauling in on the road of the range. It was about 12 inches in thickness. I was shooting 100 grains of American Pioneer 2f and a 250 grain Shockwave and wanted to see if it would penetrate that. Not even a sign that it would come through. I shot a couple rounds into it. A second projectile I put into that stump was a 200 grain Hornady XTP 10mm. I think today I will split that chunk of wood and see if I can recover the bullets and also see how deep they penetrated.
Those 375 grain Buffalo SSB's are a good bullet. I talked to a person that elk hunted with them shooting 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f out of a Black Diamond XR. While the shot he had was only 60 yards he said the internaldamage that bullet did was very impressive. The elk managed to walk, if I remember, about 30 yards and just layed down dead.
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I went out this evening and peeled the barkaway from the firewood. After I did that I was able to find an exit hole in theside of the chunk of wood. If you can picture a clock with the bullet entering at six o'clock, the exit hole was about 2:30 on the right side. The bullet must have entered, hit the large knot in the center and turned, exiting the side. The exit hole was very small though. I almost missed it except I saw the hole on the inside of the bark I peeled. A much closer search then revealed the exit hole. That would explain why I did not find that exit wound the first time I examined the wood. I then began to split the thing into kindling wood.
Having found only the one exit hole I figured the second bullet would be in there somewhere. I finally was able to locate it lodged along side the knot in the the stump. The bullet had travelled about three inches into the wood, hitting the hard knot and coming to rest. I was actually aiming with both rounds for the spot where I had cut a limb off the original trunk.
The recovered bullet was 10mm in diameter on the bottom so I suspected it was the 10mm 200 grain XTP. It had expanded to 14mm at the very top of the bullet. So it almost was half again as big as the original. I then weighed it and discovered it still weighed 192.4 grains. It had been shot with 85 grains of American Pioneer Powder.
So the Shockwave with 100 grains of American Pioneer Powder was able to veer off and make its way out of the wood. The XTP simply expanded as much as possible and then came to rest about three inches into the chunk. I was impressed that it did hold its weight as well as it did. These 10mm XTP's are a tuff little bullet, and very accurate.
Having found only the one exit hole I figured the second bullet would be in there somewhere. I finally was able to locate it lodged along side the knot in the the stump. The bullet had travelled about three inches into the wood, hitting the hard knot and coming to rest. I was actually aiming with both rounds for the spot where I had cut a limb off the original trunk.
The recovered bullet was 10mm in diameter on the bottom so I suspected it was the 10mm 200 grain XTP. It had expanded to 14mm at the very top of the bullet. So it almost was half again as big as the original. I then weighed it and discovered it still weighed 192.4 grains. It had been shot with 85 grains of American Pioneer Powder.
So the Shockwave with 100 grains of American Pioneer Powder was able to veer off and make its way out of the wood. The XTP simply expanded as much as possible and then came to rest about three inches into the chunk. I was impressed that it did hold its weight as well as it did. These 10mm XTP's are a tuff little bullet, and very accurate.
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Dave
That little 10mm XTP impresses me more everytime I shoot the darn thing. I still in the back of my mind have thatold feeling "you gotta have a big bullet with a ML" but I am think that the 10mm XTP acts like a big bullet but is in a small package. As you have pointed out it is really an accurate bullet also, and it retains it's accuracy over long range also. The only thing I do not know for sure, from first hand experiance anyway, is "what will it do in an animal, with hide & fur, meat and bone, and organs... Guess I am going to find out this deer season...
I am shooting it with 110 grains of T7 from the White, Omega, and the long Remington and certainly pack a big thud at even a 100 yards. It really acts much like a center fire projectile, in the fact if you hit a clay pigeon in the center it really doesn't blow up the disk, just punches a neat little holein the disk.
mike
That little 10mm XTP impresses me more everytime I shoot the darn thing. I still in the back of my mind have thatold feeling "you gotta have a big bullet with a ML" but I am think that the 10mm XTP acts like a big bullet but is in a small package. As you have pointed out it is really an accurate bullet also, and it retains it's accuracy over long range also. The only thing I do not know for sure, from first hand experiance anyway, is "what will it do in an animal, with hide & fur, meat and bone, and organs... Guess I am going to find out this deer season...
I am shooting it with 110 grains of T7 from the White, Omega, and the long Remington and certainly pack a big thud at even a 100 yards. It really acts much like a center fire projectile, in the fact if you hit a clay pigeon in the center it really doesn't blow up the disk, just punches a neat little holein the disk.
mike
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I take my hat off to the guys who can handle 110 grains of triple 777 seem 85 grains is my max: when it come to this powder,yet on the other hand I been up to 115 grains of real BP in my thunderhawk and a 240 grain XTP bullet
Just could be that heavy 375 grain slug
Just could be that heavy 375 grain slug
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lonewolf5348
I shoot 90 grains T7-3f with those 460's and I am glad it is a hunting load and not a load that you shoot every day.
Have you had a chance to shoot that 50 barrel yet? When I first saw your title "BUFFALO 375 SSB AT 200 YARD" I was really anxious to see if you were shooting that barrel. Although shooting at 200 yards is interesting enough.
I shoot 90 grains T7-3f with those 460's and I am glad it is a hunting load and not a load that you shoot every day.
Have you had a chance to shoot that 50 barrel yet? When I first saw your title "BUFFALO 375 SSB AT 200 YARD" I was really anxious to see if you were shooting that barrel. Although shooting at 200 yards is interesting enough.
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I yet have not got around at it seem I am looking to get back into buying a 1911 45 auto
I just sold a colt det: special snub to raise some funds for the 45.
I am also looking into a lee classic press may want to start to reload the 45 ,my rcbs single stage chucker press will not cut bulk loading
I did run into a little problem with one of my percussion locks seem it will not fit my renegade stock whick is inletted for my flint lock,I don't want to reinlett the stock and I really don't want to purcase another renegade stock,a easy fix it to trim the lock plate but but have not got around to it .
I just sold a colt det: special snub to raise some funds for the 45.
I am also looking into a lee classic press may want to start to reload the 45 ,my rcbs single stage chucker press will not cut bulk loading
I did run into a little problem with one of my percussion locks seem it will not fit my renegade stock whick is inletted for my flint lock,I don't want to reinlett the stock and I really don't want to purcase another renegade stock,a easy fix it to trim the lock plate but but have not got around to it .
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