Nothin' like an Encore! Awesome rifles! I absolutely love my 209x.50!

I keep telling you guys about the Pine Ridge 1x20 by Cabelas for 69.00. Its just as clear as the Nikon and Burris and the crosshairs are a little bit finer so it doesnt cover up as much as the Nikon and Burris. Also I've never had my fog up. BTW I've used both the Nikon and Burris. But its your money, you must have more than me which is not saying much. Good luck.

I have looked thru the 1x20. Nikon and Burris. I prefer the larger 32 mm bell it lets in more light espically in the early morning.

Are you guys mandated by law to shoot such low power scopes? I couldn't imagine having a riflewith thetremendous potential of the T/C Encore and then using only 1x optics? [&:]

Well it takes the tremendous potential of the Encore and a 9 power scope to be able to shoot as good as my White and a 1 power scope. Just kidding. Yes here in Utah and other states we are mandated by law to use no magnification.

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Wisconsin is another state that during muzzleloader season, to even the playing field you might say, they do not allow any magnification of their scopes. Now the old conventional iron sights are not as bad a set up as some think. Actually they work fine but in shadows, can be hard to pick up. Of course the arguement is, if the shadows are that bad, you have no business hunting that time of the day. But they never hunted a cedar/balsam marsh were even though there is an hour of hunting time left, the sights and shadows become hard to see. Also have you noticed that some of the standard sights vary in thickness? I have a CVA that has a front sight so thick, I am thinking of taking a file and sharpening it like a knife blade all most. Not really sharp mind you, but reduce the thickness.

I used to use a peep sight, while very accurate I had trouble focusing in low light situations. Now granted, for longer range with practice, they are probably one of the best aiming methods out there. I have a Williams peep on one rifle, and a T/C peep on a Renegade. Excellent shooters both of them.

With the fiber optics, they work good, but are a little to large to do precise shooting IMO, although there are some better fiber optics on the market now. I have noticed some of you posting about a fiber optic set up which includes a peep sight. To say that has not caught my attention would be false. I just keep thinking back to peep sights. You see they costed me a couple deer because I refused to shoot in the light conditions I was in.

I went with a RED DOT on two of the rifles. Again, while a nice sighting device in low light, you are limited to vision. Also you have to remember, you are looking through a 20mm tube in some cases. This really restricts your field of view. In low light, like later afternoon when it seems I see 90% of my shots, the peep is bold as can be, but the rest of the outlines are shadows. On my peeps, the dot will grow a half moon tail th lower the light becomes and the shadows get. You have to learn to ignore that tail. So again, you have the aiming device and your shooting at shadows. While better then the Peep in my opinion in low light, to me it was not the answer I was looking for.

With my White I finally decided to get a 1X scope. To say I was not pleased with the accuracy and the aiming device would be false. I was able to shoot some real impressive groups until it fogged up on me. I am sure T/C will simply replace the thing and perhaps the new one will not have this same fault.

I figured it was a legal issue. I didn't see you guys actually choosing to shoot no magnification optics. IL, who is generally VERY restrictive, are pretty open with "Muzzleloaders"..... thus far. It wouldn't surprise me to see some chages in the future though.

On my muzzleloaders I have a Swarovski 3-10x42, a Nikon Monarch 2-7x32 and a Nikon Omega 3-9x40 and I don't ever look forward to giving them up. However, if they offered us an earlier blackpowder season I would gladly set one up, even for open sightsIF I had to.