Savage 10 ML
05-30-2007 | 03:47 PM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
Hereis my own experience and I do not know if that can be applied to others...
I made some tests to weigh charges and compare with the Lee dipers: I was NEVER able to get the same loads!
There was always some differences ( = or > 0.5 grains ); those differences opened my grouping up to 12 inches at 100 meters.... grr...
Since then, I take the time to weigh every load and put them in some plastic bottles for the day after.
This is my experience.
Etienne Brule.
05-30-2007 | 09:05 PM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
Chap,fine looking outfit you have there.The savage if you shoot it enough you will find that there are many powders and bullets that shoot really well in it. My best load is the IMR4759 (47.5 grs) 250 sst or sw.and win primers.This is a stout load and gives 2440 fps.I think a lot of fellows use this powder and 42 0r 43 grs and the 250 and 300.
I have taken several deer with this load and the sst 250 from 50yds to 234yds,all complete pass throughs.All dropped on the spot except one that was running when I shot it behind the shoulder and it went about 75 yds.I have shot this load with the 300 sst and it shot great but think it was a little to hot.Watched a buddie put 7 in one hole at 100 yds with this load,but he has since went to the 250 gr sst.If you try the 4759 I would start out with 42 grs and work up you may find a load you like in a lower dose.
I think my best load with the 5744 was 45 grs,its been awhile since I shot it.
I have only shot my savage 3 times this year and that was to unload it after the season,and then shot around an inch group at 200 yds.Took 3 deer during the muzzleloader season,one at 170 yds,200 yds and 230 yds.
I picked up a box of the 250 xtps to play with but just haven't gotten around to doing it I am at the range at least one day a week but just keep putting off the savage.I do want to try some different powders with them and will get to them shortly.
Good luck on finding the load and bullet you like I am sure you will with the savage.ImR 4759,N110,N120,10x,IMR 4198 are some of the powders that have worked great in my savage.
Zeroing a scope in at 300 yds just before hunting season last year.
4-shot group I had shot back in april of 06 at 300 yds.
I have taken several deer with this load and the sst 250 from 50yds to 234yds,all complete pass throughs.All dropped on the spot except one that was running when I shot it behind the shoulder and it went about 75 yds.I have shot this load with the 300 sst and it shot great but think it was a little to hot.Watched a buddie put 7 in one hole at 100 yds with this load,but he has since went to the 250 gr sst.If you try the 4759 I would start out with 42 grs and work up you may find a load you like in a lower dose.
I think my best load with the 5744 was 45 grs,its been awhile since I shot it.
I have only shot my savage 3 times this year and that was to unload it after the season,and then shot around an inch group at 200 yds.Took 3 deer during the muzzleloader season,one at 170 yds,200 yds and 230 yds.
I picked up a box of the 250 xtps to play with but just haven't gotten around to doing it I am at the range at least one day a week but just keep putting off the savage.I do want to try some different powders with them and will get to them shortly.
Good luck on finding the load and bullet you like I am sure you will with the savage.ImR 4759,N110,N120,10x,IMR 4198 are some of the powders that have worked great in my savage.
Zeroing a scope in at 300 yds just before hunting season last year.
4-shot group I had shot back in april of 06 at 300 yds.
05-31-2007 | 05:37 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
ORIGINAL: Etienne Brule
Hi,
Hereis my own experience and I do not know if that can be applied to others...
I made some tests to weigh charges and compare with the Lee dipers: I was NEVER able to get the same loads!
There was always some differences ( = or > 0.5 grains ); those differences opened my grouping up to 12 inches at 100 meters.... grr...
Since then, I take the time to weigh every load and put them in some plastic bottles for the day after.
This is my experience.
Etienne Brule.
ORIGINAL: Red Lion
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
Hereis my own experience and I do not know if that can be applied to others...
I made some tests to weigh charges and compare with the Lee dipers: I was NEVER able to get the same loads!
There was always some differences ( = or > 0.5 grains ); those differences opened my grouping up to 12 inches at 100 meters.... grr...
Since then, I take the time to weigh every load and put them in some plastic bottles for the day after.
This is my experience.
Etienne Brule.
05-31-2007 | 05:51 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Chap,fine looking outfit you have there.The savage if you shoot it enough you will find that there are many powders and bullets that shoot really well in it. My best load is the IMR4759 (47.5 grs) 250 sst or sw.and win primers.This is a stout load and gives 2440 fps.I think a lot of fellows use this powder and 42 0r 43 grs and the 250 and 300.
I have taken several deer with this load and the sst 250 from 50yds to 234yds,all complete pass throughs.All dropped on the spot except one that was running when I shot it behind the shoulder and it went about 75 yds.I have shot this load with the 300 sst and it shot great but think it was a little to hot.Watched a buddie put 7 in one hole at 100 yds with this load,but he has since went to the 250 gr sst.If you try the 4759 I would start out with 42 grs and work up you may find a load you like in a lower dose.
I think my best load with the 5744 was 45 grs,its been awhile since I shot it.
I have only shot my savage 3 times this year and that was to unload it after the season,and then shot around an inch group at 200 yds.Took 3 deer during the muzzleloader season,one at 170 yds,200 yds and 230 yds.
I picked up a box of the 250 xtps to play with but just haven't gotten around to doing it I am at the range at least one day a week but just keep putting off the savage.I do want to try some different powders with them and will get to them shortly.
Good luck on finding the load and bullet you like I am sure you will with the savage.ImR 4759,N110,N120,10x,IMR 4198 are some of the powders that have worked great in my savage.
Zeroing a scope in at 300 yds just before hunting season last year.
4-shot group I had shot back in april of 06 at 300 yds.
Chap,fine looking outfit you have there.The savage if you shoot it enough you will find that there are many powders and bullets that shoot really well in it. My best load is the IMR4759 (47.5 grs) 250 sst or sw.and win primers.This is a stout load and gives 2440 fps.I think a lot of fellows use this powder and 42 0r 43 grs and the 250 and 300.
I have taken several deer with this load and the sst 250 from 50yds to 234yds,all complete pass throughs.All dropped on the spot except one that was running when I shot it behind the shoulder and it went about 75 yds.I have shot this load with the 300 sst and it shot great but think it was a little to hot.Watched a buddie put 7 in one hole at 100 yds with this load,but he has since went to the 250 gr sst.If you try the 4759 I would start out with 42 grs and work up you may find a load you like in a lower dose.
I think my best load with the 5744 was 45 grs,its been awhile since I shot it.
I have only shot my savage 3 times this year and that was to unload it after the season,and then shot around an inch group at 200 yds.Took 3 deer during the muzzleloader season,one at 170 yds,200 yds and 230 yds.
I picked up a box of the 250 xtps to play with but just haven't gotten around to doing it I am at the range at least one day a week but just keep putting off the savage.I do want to try some different powders with them and will get to them shortly.
Good luck on finding the load and bullet you like I am sure you will with the savage.ImR 4759,N110,N120,10x,IMR 4198 are some of the powders that have worked great in my savage.
Zeroing a scope in at 300 yds just before hunting season last year.
4-shot group I had shot back in april of 06 at 300 yds.
I have some SSTs both TC Shockwave and Hornady, maybe about 10 or 12 of them of each kind. I intend on shooting them after I get the XTPs to consistently hit, they are cheaper and what the rifle was designed to shoot, so I figure that that is the right thing.
Can you tell me why you like the 4759 over the AA 5744? I can tell a difference between APP and 777, the 777 has more power therefore more recoil. What is the difference between the 4759 and the 5744? I understand that the 5744 is more "forgiving". I am not sure what that means. I did have two shots out of the 30 I shot that didn't go off, I cocked the rifle again and it went off the send time. Has that ever happened to you? Again great shooting and thanks for the "hope" of getting dialed in like your shooting---truly awsome accuracy. Chap Gleason
05-31-2007 | 06:00 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
RL, Do they expand any? Thanks for the tip on weighing my charges.
Chap
05-31-2007 | 07:49 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
ORIGINAL: Etienne Brule
Hi,
Hereis my own experience and I do not know if that can be applied to others...
I made some tests to weigh charges and compare with the Lee dipers: I was NEVER able to get the same loads!
There was always some differences ( = or > 0.5 grains ); those differences opened my grouping up to 12 inches at 100 meters.... grr...
Since then, I take the time to weigh every load and put them in some plastic bottles for the day after.
This is my experience.
Etienne Brule.
ORIGINAL: Red Lion
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
Hereis my own experience and I do not know if that can be applied to others...
I made some tests to weigh charges and compare with the Lee dipers: I was NEVER able to get the same loads!
There was always some differences ( = or > 0.5 grains ); those differences opened my grouping up to 12 inches at 100 meters.... grr...
Since then, I take the time to weigh every load and put them in some plastic bottles for the day after.
This is my experience.
Etienne Brule.
05-31-2007 | 07:55 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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RL, Do they expand any? Thanks for the tip on weighing my charges.
Chap
ORIGINAL: Red Lion
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
I used a lee diper the first time out shooting my savage, but have weighed my charges prior to the range since then. I like knowing my exact loads when shooting. By the way a 250 SST will go right on through a deer as well.
RL, Do they expand any? Thanks for the tip on weighing my charges.
Chap
05-31-2007 | 10:33 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
Chap,the reason is why I use 4759 is speed.I get more out of it with the 4759,I am wanting to reach out also.I hunt on a power line and the deer cross at 150 to 250 yds.Most of the fellows say that they find the sst 250 inside the deer but I have been trying for 4 years now and at different ranges all mine have been pass throughs.And they leave a big hole as they come out.
A couple years ago myself and a buddy got drawed for a special muzzleloader hunt on a refuge.2 does and a buck came by him and he shot one with a knight,the buck and doe ran past me at 65 yds and I threw up and shot got lucky and hitthe buckin the center of the onside shoulder,the sst passed through that shoulder and the other shoulder,the hole looked just a little bigger than a 50 cent piece.
The scope I have on mine now is a lepould 4x12 blistic plex.I have it set to hit dead on at 100,first dot at 200 and the second dot at 300.Shooting the heavy loads are hard on scopes I have busted 2 and stripped the screw on 2 lepould rings.One was a burris singnature shatered the lense in it,one was a nikon broke the cross hairs in it.
The 250 xtp's shoot good out to 200 yds but at 300 I just cannot get them to group like the sst's,I tried some of the barnes spitfire 245 gr last year and they would shoot one hole at 100 yds but couldn't get them to group worth a hoot at 200.Thats the reason I want to try some different powder with the xtp's when I get around to it.
The reason the 2 did'nt go off was the sabot wasn't sealed enough in the barrel,the best thing it to try different sabots because all the barrels are not the same size,You want the sabot tight but you don't want to have to drive it down the barrel with a hammer.My barrel on my ss is a little big I can take the ribbed sabot and push it down the barrel with my finger so it don't shoot so good.the sabots that comes with the sst's works great in mine so I don't have to get a thinner sabot.
Helped a fellow set up2 new ss savages last year one the sabots that came with the sst's worked fine the other they were too hard to go down the barrel,he ended up useing the harvester high pressure sabots in the other one.The bolts were different one the win primers would go in and out good but the other one the win you had to knock them in,the federal worked good,so he ended up useing the federal primers in both.
One other thing is try swabbing between shots and not swabbing some like to be swabbed and some don't.
Be sure the barrel is cooled between shots.When I shoot in the hot months I take a wet towel and keep it in the ice chest after I shoot I drape it over the barrel so don't have to wait so long for it to cool.
There's a fellow on here that posts called 1-shot from NC I think I remember him saying that he used 5744 and the dipper and even the xtp'sbut not sure,anyway he is the one that can tell you anythng you want to know about the savage.Years ago when I got my first one he sure helped me out.
A couple years ago myself and a buddy got drawed for a special muzzleloader hunt on a refuge.2 does and a buck came by him and he shot one with a knight,the buck and doe ran past me at 65 yds and I threw up and shot got lucky and hitthe buckin the center of the onside shoulder,the sst passed through that shoulder and the other shoulder,the hole looked just a little bigger than a 50 cent piece.
The scope I have on mine now is a lepould 4x12 blistic plex.I have it set to hit dead on at 100,first dot at 200 and the second dot at 300.Shooting the heavy loads are hard on scopes I have busted 2 and stripped the screw on 2 lepould rings.One was a burris singnature shatered the lense in it,one was a nikon broke the cross hairs in it.
The 250 xtp's shoot good out to 200 yds but at 300 I just cannot get them to group like the sst's,I tried some of the barnes spitfire 245 gr last year and they would shoot one hole at 100 yds but couldn't get them to group worth a hoot at 200.Thats the reason I want to try some different powder with the xtp's when I get around to it.
The reason the 2 did'nt go off was the sabot wasn't sealed enough in the barrel,the best thing it to try different sabots because all the barrels are not the same size,You want the sabot tight but you don't want to have to drive it down the barrel with a hammer.My barrel on my ss is a little big I can take the ribbed sabot and push it down the barrel with my finger so it don't shoot so good.the sabots that comes with the sst's works great in mine so I don't have to get a thinner sabot.
Helped a fellow set up2 new ss savages last year one the sabots that came with the sst's worked fine the other they were too hard to go down the barrel,he ended up useing the harvester high pressure sabots in the other one.The bolts were different one the win primers would go in and out good but the other one the win you had to knock them in,the federal worked good,so he ended up useing the federal primers in both.
One other thing is try swabbing between shots and not swabbing some like to be swabbed and some don't.
Be sure the barrel is cooled between shots.When I shoot in the hot months I take a wet towel and keep it in the ice chest after I shoot I drape it over the barrel so don't have to wait so long for it to cool.
There's a fellow on here that posts called 1-shot from NC I think I remember him saying that he used 5744 and the dipper and even the xtp'sbut not sure,anyway he is the one that can tell you anythng you want to know about the savage.Years ago when I got my first one he sure helped me out.
05-31-2007 | 11:31 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Chap,the reason is why I use 4759 is speed.I get more out of it with the 4759,I am wanting to reach out also.I hunt on a power line and the deer cross at 150 to 250 yds.Most of the fellows say that they find the sst 250 inside the deer but I have been trying for 4 years now and at different ranges all mine have been pass throughs.And they leave a big hole as they come out.
A couple years ago myself and a buddy got drawed for a special muzzleloader hunt on a refuge.2 does and a buck came by him and he shot one with a knight,the buck and doe ran past me at 65 yds and I threw up and shot got lucky and hitthe buckin the center of the onside shoulder,the sst passed through that shoulder and the other shoulder,the hole looked just a little bigger than a 50 cent piece.
The scope I have on mine now is a lepould 4x12 blistic plex.I have it set to hit dead on at 100,first dot at 200 and the second dot at 300.Shooting the heavy loads are hard on scopes I have busted 2 and stripped the screw on 2 lepould rings.One was a burris singnature shatered the lense in it,one was a nikon broke the cross hairs in it.
The 250 xtp's shoot good out to 200 yds but at 300 I just cannot get them to group like the sst's,I tried some of the barnes spitfire 245 gr last year and they would shoot one hole at 100 yds but couldn't get them to group worth a hoot at 200.Thats the reason I want to try some different powder with the xtp's when I get around to it.
The reason the 2 did'nt go off was the sabot wasn't sealed enough in the barrel,the best thing it to try different sabots because all the barrels are not the same size,You want the sabot tight but you don't want to have to drive it down the barrel with a hammer.My barrel on my ss is a little big I can take the ribbed sabot and push it down the barrel with my finger so it don't shoot so good.the sabots that comes with the sst's works great in mine so I don't have to get a thinner sabot.
Helped a fellow set up2 new ss savages last year one the sabots that came with the sst's worked fine the other they were too hard to go down the barrel,he ended up useing the harvester high pressure sabots in the other one.The bolts were different one the win primers would go in and out good but the other one the win you had to knock them in,the federal worked good,so he ended up useing the federal primers in both.
One other thing is try swabbing between shots and not swabbing some like to be swabbed and some don't.
Be sure the barrel is cooled between shots.When I shoot in the hot months I take a wet towel and keep it in the ice chest after I shoot I drape it over the barrel so don't have to wait so long for it to cool.
There's a fellow on here that posts called 1-shot from NC I think I remember him saying that he used 5744 and the dipper and even the xtp'sbut not sure,anyway he is the one that can tell you anythng you want to know about the savage.Years ago when I got my first one he sure helped me out.
Chap,the reason is why I use 4759 is speed.I get more out of it with the 4759,I am wanting to reach out also.I hunt on a power line and the deer cross at 150 to 250 yds.Most of the fellows say that they find the sst 250 inside the deer but I have been trying for 4 years now and at different ranges all mine have been pass throughs.And they leave a big hole as they come out.
A couple years ago myself and a buddy got drawed for a special muzzleloader hunt on a refuge.2 does and a buck came by him and he shot one with a knight,the buck and doe ran past me at 65 yds and I threw up and shot got lucky and hitthe buckin the center of the onside shoulder,the sst passed through that shoulder and the other shoulder,the hole looked just a little bigger than a 50 cent piece.
The scope I have on mine now is a lepould 4x12 blistic plex.I have it set to hit dead on at 100,first dot at 200 and the second dot at 300.Shooting the heavy loads are hard on scopes I have busted 2 and stripped the screw on 2 lepould rings.One was a burris singnature shatered the lense in it,one was a nikon broke the cross hairs in it.
The 250 xtp's shoot good out to 200 yds but at 300 I just cannot get them to group like the sst's,I tried some of the barnes spitfire 245 gr last year and they would shoot one hole at 100 yds but couldn't get them to group worth a hoot at 200.Thats the reason I want to try some different powder with the xtp's when I get around to it.
The reason the 2 did'nt go off was the sabot wasn't sealed enough in the barrel,the best thing it to try different sabots because all the barrels are not the same size,You want the sabot tight but you don't want to have to drive it down the barrel with a hammer.My barrel on my ss is a little big I can take the ribbed sabot and push it down the barrel with my finger so it don't shoot so good.the sabots that comes with the sst's works great in mine so I don't have to get a thinner sabot.
Helped a fellow set up2 new ss savages last year one the sabots that came with the sst's worked fine the other they were too hard to go down the barrel,he ended up useing the harvester high pressure sabots in the other one.The bolts were different one the win primers would go in and out good but the other one the win you had to knock them in,the federal worked good,so he ended up useing the federal primers in both.
One other thing is try swabbing between shots and not swabbing some like to be swabbed and some don't.
Be sure the barrel is cooled between shots.When I shoot in the hot months I take a wet towel and keep it in the ice chest after I shoot I drape it over the barrel so don't have to wait so long for it to cool.
There's a fellow on here that posts called 1-shot from NC I think I remember him saying that he used 5744 and the dipper and even the xtp'sbut not sure,anyway he is the one that can tell you anythng you want to know about the savage.Years ago when I got my first one he sure helped me out.
Chap
06-01-2007 | 05:06 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
Chap,of all the savages that I have set up or helped set up he last 3 0r 4 years only a few of them shot better by swabbing between shots,wanted to mention it because the savage is like any other type of muzzleloader useing little tricks to get better accuracy.Most are useing the IMR4759 in different grains,one fellow is useing IMR4227 and won't change,he says he has killed deer out to 280yds with it and going to keep useing it.A couple are useing the 5744 and like it.One fellow was very hard headed and used the dippers to measure his 4759,and couldn't get it to shoot too good at 100 yds,he had a friend with him and he wasn't hard headed and listened,by the time we had his rifle set up he shot a 3shot one hole group,a week later the other fellow called me and said he that he had finally shot a one holer,I said you weighed your load didn't you and he addmitted that he did.
Another thing that has helped my savage to shoot more constant is that I had my buddie to bed the recoil lug,I tightened the front screw and never touch it,unless I am going to strip it all the way down to do a good cleaning,to clean after range trip I just turn the back screw enough to get the bolt out.
The only requirement if I am going to help anyone set up a savage is that they clean the barrel with JB bore cleaner with at least 200 strokes.This gives them a very clean barrel to start with and saves time in working up loads..
The mmp short sabot is a good choice with the xtp,below is a pic compareing a knight sabot to the mmp useing the xtp's.
Another thing that has helped my savage to shoot more constant is that I had my buddie to bed the recoil lug,I tightened the front screw and never touch it,unless I am going to strip it all the way down to do a good cleaning,to clean after range trip I just turn the back screw enough to get the bolt out.
The only requirement if I am going to help anyone set up a savage is that they clean the barrel with JB bore cleaner with at least 200 strokes.This gives them a very clean barrel to start with and saves time in working up loads..
The mmp short sabot is a good choice with the xtp,below is a pic compareing a knight sabot to the mmp useing the xtp's.