"The comparison isn't really centerfires and inline muzzleloaders. The comparison is really a frontier rifle loaded with PRB (states original intent)and whether the inline muzzleloader is sufficiently primitive to play in a primitive hunt."

But that is not at all what was to happen in Idaho under the proposed changes. Those changeswould have allowedfull bore conicals yet excludedany action without an exposed hammer.(by the way, one Idaho resident has already claimed to have made his Encore comply with those proposed rules.) If the state's original intent was to only allow roundballs that should have been clearly stated somewhere, not left to conjecture. If there is a state in the union that has a muzzleloader season (even a primitive one) that only allows such a projectile, please let me know.

If the state wanted to level the playing field in a simpler way,requiring an all-lead projectile while disallowing sabots would have done the trick nicely.

But leveling the playing field wasn't the intent. My reading of theIdaho rule proposals suggestedthey were a very confused, baselessand non-sensical attempt to appeasethe few very vocal zealots of the "primitive" campaign that knew about and attended the meeting that spawned those proposals.Cdad'squoted figures fully support his conclusion of that group simply wanting the woods to themselves - and that is the truth. The smokescreen of game management as a basis for those proposals is nothing but a pitiful joke. Look at the numbers.

I suppose we should also invoke a "what's in your heart" test of some sort as the radical traditionalists certainly would not want any low-lifes among their camps. Many fine men and women enjoy traditional muzzleloading, many more fine men and women enjoy hunting with inlines. In both areas of muzzleloading there are scumbags, some of them carry the finestequipment and wear the best hunting clothes money can buy.

You can dismiss all arguments that suggest most inlines should be included in most all muzzleloading seasons if you choose, but please explain to me why a plunger action, iron sighted,cap firing inline is superior to a frontierorprimitive (made of modern materials) when choices of projectile and powderare common to both.

To heck with the centerfire/30-30 comparison as that's ridiculous on the face of it as most centerfires/30-30s are repeaters, use cased cartridges, and load FROM THE BREACH.

Sorry, I missed the 20,000 number along the way. Was that stated at a meeting, is it posted on a website I can look up? Thanks,

Even then, plug 20,000 into the numbers. How many of those are inlines? My guess is, WAY over 50%. So add 10,000 or 15,000 to the modern firearm season and take that many away from the 20,000. This still just makes no sense.

Well, thanks for telling me what I don't realize. I truely do appreciate not only your superior intellect, but also your mind reading abilities.

You have stated before that you TRUST the state agencies. Well, I am sorry, I don't. By the way, will you still TRUST them if they overturn this whole thing? As I have stated numerous times, I sure would like to see the study, statistics or just the plain logic used by Idaho. You and Roundball just keep ignoring.

Your statement aboveshowsEXACTLY what you are made of. You want what is best for you and who cares about anyone else. I don't have a problem "losing" hunting privledges as long is there is a sound reason (true game management). IF that is what this whole thing is about, I would think the state of Idaho would publish the report. Where is it?

FYI, I don't have a "traditional rifle". Thought with your mind reading ability you would know that. I bought 2 evil inlines this past year to hunt the Washington ML seasons with my 14 y.o. son. By the way, I could just as easily have lived in Idaho. So, I paid quite a bit of money to get started MLing. IF I lived in Idaho, I really am not sure what I would do at this point.

Actually, it show how selfish you are. Everyone in the state could participate and would benefit from increased access to the season. BTW I don't have the flintlock with roundball twist I would need for it, I would have to buy one just like you.

Fact is, these kind of regulations would allow more tags and more access something even you could benefit from.

It shows how selfish you are in that you are more than happy to take away other folks' access to a hunting season in exchange for your own selfish desire to use a weapon which isn't very primitive.

Then buy one if you need one. Don't belly ache to me about not owning one.

Oh yea, well you're a big baby!!!!!!

Just funnin with ya.

But, I'm done with this until somebody posts some numbers or the study from Idaho. It's obvious no one is going to change their mind on here. Excuse me while I go read the humor for today on another muzzleloadingforum.