Underclockedif you get the new knight and I get the new TC we shall have to compare notes I am hopeing to get one when they come out proably in June or July. Lee

There's not much correct about your post. A lot of it is simply opinion. Yes the 28" barreled Omega is shorter than a 26" barreled Knight Disc Extreme. The picture below illustrates this. However the Knight barrel length is 25 1/2" usable while the Omega is 26 1/2" usable length and most of that extra inch is taken up by the unneccesary QLA. So much for a 28" barrel. To make it 28" would make it the same length as the 26" barreled Disc Extreme. I could care less about advertized barrel length since it's usable that really matters.



You are also correct that the old Disc is leaky. However the 209 primer face butts up against the breechplug so there's no way it can seal pressurized gas from getting past it. The Full Plastic jacket is an improvement but still leaky. However it's not the FPJ's fault. Knight has a newer breechplug for it that almost completelyeliminates blowback. What there is can beeasily wiped off the scope even after multiple shots.

I own both an Extreme and an Omega, both were within $20 of each other when I bought them new. There's very little real difference in cleaning them. Both need breechplugs cleaned. The Knight has a bolt that needs cleaned while the Omega doesn't. Most of that is the bolt face.The Omega blows gas underneath the barrel requiring removal after every session while the Knight doesn't. My Omega blows plenty of gas onto the scope but so does the Knight. To correct this problem cost $20 for the Knight (new plug) and $60.00 for the Omega (PR 25ACP). I don't remove the stock for cleaning on the Knight every session since it's not neccisary. Once it's sighted in I don't remove the stock till the seasons over. Before the 25 ACP I had to do that on the Omega. Also the Omega is pickier about what it will shoot.

As to the Disc Rifles being obsolete if they stop making the Discs, New for '07 Knight has non FPJ breechplugs for all the rifles that use them. They can use a straight 209 now. I'm not sure why someone would do that but it's now an option. The Old Disc Rifles were no longer made after 2002, but the old Discs are still available. They are also easily converted to the new FPJ and by extension the new non FPJ plug.

I don't have anything to say about the Triumph. It doesn't look to be available in a Thumbhole stock so I'm not interested. I am dissappointed that Knight's no making the KP-1 or KRB-7 in TH stocks either.

I guess what it really boils down to for me is that the Omega has sat in the safe since January '05(used 1 season only)and the Disc Extreme saw action this past January and every year since I've owned it. It's made every out of state trip and taken most of my firsts.

I did put a new scope on the Omega but if it comes down to the two of them I know which gun I'll grab, the more reliable of the two.

I need to agree with Wolfhound on his observation's with the Knight Rifles. I own a Disc and a Wolverine. There is no way I would part with either of them. I do not own an Omega. Only because after getting the Knight Disc, I could not fathom a rifle shooting better then my Disc Rifle.

The plastic loading primer holder is actually I feel a good thing. For instance on my other inlines I have to carry a tool to cap them, and a tool to un cap the primer out of them. With the Disc, I put it in, and after fired it will roll right back out of the action. Blow back to me is not a big deal. It means I have a little more to clean at the end of the day is all.

Also I think too much is placed on barrel length. My Wolverine is a 22 inch barrel and it will shoot with the best of the long barrel inline rifles. My Disc is a 26 inch barrel and again, I'd hunt anywhere any thing with that rifle. While I am sure the Omega is a great rifle, as I own a Black Diamond XR and it is a great rifle, I sure would not sell the Knight down the river too fast.

I've owned 2 or 3 Omega rifles and 3 or 4 Knights - never kept any of them. The Omega beats the heck out of my trigger hand and plastic jackets just make me mad. Either takes longer to clean PROPERLYthan any of my Whites.

Has anybody ever told SHills about White rifles? Apparently not if he thinks the omega is all that. How many people have you heard complain about the Omega? Several. The barrel is to tight, it is real picky about what it likes to shoot, many complaints about the QLA, the trigger guard is to small, they claim it shoots conicals well but not very many people have had luck with that except the Power Belts and there to darn expensive. They are a good gun but you hear alot of people complaining about them. Now on the other hand take the White. I have not heard one complaint from anybody that owns one. They are accurate with both conicals and sabots ask sabotloader and cayugad. They are the strongest built muzzleloaders that shoot strictly black powder. They will shoot all three ignitions. You can shoot up to 25-50 shots and more without swabbing and not loose accuracy. Their stocks are the best on the market. Their triggers are adjustable. The list goes on and on. Find somebody who talks bad about them. It doesnt happen.

+3 or is it +4 for the Knight. IMO you can not have a good rifle without a good trigger. I own, and have owned a half dozen Knight's. They all had good triggers. I owned two Omega's-I got rid of both of them, the triggers were terrible. I do own several Encore's, and I really do like them. But they are mainly centerfire. And I sent off the receivers for a trigger job. I have never seen, on average, a ML that will outshoot a Knight, or that has a better trigger.

I will admit I have never owned a White, so I can not comment on them. That sounds like a good reason to buy one. So where do I get it. Tom.

I have owned alot of knights and currently have a disc elite. I also have owned alot of TC and currently own a side lock percussion Cougar and a TC encore.

I will say, my elite is alot more accurate than my encore. I like the cleanup little better with the TC.

Nothin wrong with knight on my end. Where do you keep hearing over and over how new knights are bad?

I think most of that came from the Revolting and the Visionless... more so the Revolution than the Vision. Most believe that the Extreme and especially the Elite are much better Knight guns.

I prefer a Knight, I have a Disc...I also like the discs, I have a couple of hundred of them, and reuse them, it makes it easier to cap the gun with a disc...

I also prefer an adjustable trigger so I can set it like I want it...

I don't care for a hammer gun (unless its a flinter)...A Disc has both a trigger safety and a plunger safety, it is easy to use the plunger safety, pull your gun into the stand and unscrew....With a Omega you have to uncap, and recap while pulling down on the trigger group with a loud click....

Cleanup, how much longer does it take??? Maybe 5 minutes, big deal...

I know I wouldn't mind to have a vision. Fine gun.