Does anyone hate inline muzzleloaders ?
#12
Somebody else mentioned this, but I think inlines have done what compound bows did to archery. Brought the sport to the forefront and introduced many who wouldn't have atken up a different style of hunting without them. Do you think if Compounds weren't eventually embraced by archers, their would be so many in Archery? I think not.
Personally I have no problems with a crossbow or any other ligitmate and legal weapon. Misconceptions are abound with many of these weapons, like a inline is good to 300 yards, well you know I have seen kentucky long riflers shoot 300 much more accurately than any inline guy. Same can be said about crossbows, many think these weapons are good to 125 yards, but reality many archers both traditional and compound can shoot more accurately to distance of 100 meters. they may not choose to do so when hunting but it can be done.
Change will always spark debate. I find it truly funny to listen to bow hunters debate that a crossbow is so much more advanced of a weapon. Mean while they have a 85% let off Micro size bow, shooting 315 FPs, with carbon arrows and the best broadheads around. Then top it off with a release, vibration aides, fiber optic sights, range finder around their neck and sit in their 300 buck tree climber. Common the sport is hardly traditional in the sense of the word anymore, it still may have the basis but it has changed and adapted with technology and the age.
It can be said with any form of hunting, rifle, shotgun, bow and BP, in all it has put more guys in the field, better success and overall done good for the sport. Sure it has also made for some negatives such as: less practice, knowledge or skill. I think all in all hunters today are more involved in the preservation and heritage of this sport the the days of yester!
Personally I have no problems with a crossbow or any other ligitmate and legal weapon. Misconceptions are abound with many of these weapons, like a inline is good to 300 yards, well you know I have seen kentucky long riflers shoot 300 much more accurately than any inline guy. Same can be said about crossbows, many think these weapons are good to 125 yards, but reality many archers both traditional and compound can shoot more accurately to distance of 100 meters. they may not choose to do so when hunting but it can be done.
Change will always spark debate. I find it truly funny to listen to bow hunters debate that a crossbow is so much more advanced of a weapon. Mean while they have a 85% let off Micro size bow, shooting 315 FPs, with carbon arrows and the best broadheads around. Then top it off with a release, vibration aides, fiber optic sights, range finder around their neck and sit in their 300 buck tree climber. Common the sport is hardly traditional in the sense of the word anymore, it still may have the basis but it has changed and adapted with technology and the age.
It can be said with any form of hunting, rifle, shotgun, bow and BP, in all it has put more guys in the field, better success and overall done good for the sport. Sure it has also made for some negatives such as: less practice, knowledge or skill. I think all in all hunters today are more involved in the preservation and heritage of this sport the the days of yester!
#13
Underclocked, I maintain that inlines don't convey any advantage, (if there is one, I'd like to hear it), BUT, if you are saying they should not be prohibited, I have to agree with you!! If my buddy wants to use an inline during a muzzleloader season, he should be able to do so!!
Keep yore powder dry!!
Keep yore powder dry!!
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" In lines are'nt no faster to load and as has been said not more powerful,only flatter shooting."
How about the advantages in the firing (caps vs shotgun primers vs flint ?) the new sabots and the jackets bullets as oppose to ball and patch ? Higher velocities, more KE and flatter shooting all add up to one thing - better performers all around and not as challenging to use, right ?
" Scopes do add a big plus to in lines but could be outlawed without outlawing in lines."
True, but will we see that happen ? I doubt it. Scopes can be put on crossbows and compounds as well, I have never seen a recurv/longbow with a scope on it.
"A big part of bowhunting on the other hand is being able to actually draw on the animal wothout spooking it. I can think of many places I hunt that that could be hunted with a crossbow but not a bow because they'd see you move as opposed to just having to pull a trigger."
Great comment. I shot several animals with a compound and always drew with the animals head behind a tree using a mechanical release. Looking back how easy that was. Trying to draw now on an animal with no ability to hold at full draw for over a few seconds has proven to be a be challenge. My point ? As a crossbow is easier because of the no draw, its as valid a point as a compound having a fulladvantage over a recurve/longbow with 85% letoff. Those comparisons and the above is why I am thinking that as a crossbow vs compound argument is based on easy and style of shooting so does inlines vs caplocks and more so flintlocks.
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" In lines are'nt no faster to load and as has been said not more powerful,only flatter shooting."
How about the advantages in the firing (caps vs shotgun primers vs flint ?) the new sabots and the jackets bullets as oppose to ball and patch ? Higher velocities, more KE and flatter shooting all add up to one thing - better performers all around and not as challenging to use, right ?
" Scopes do add a big plus to in lines but could be outlawed without outlawing in lines."
True, but will we see that happen ? I doubt it. Scopes can be put on crossbows and compounds as well, I have never seen a recurv/longbow with a scope on it.
"A big part of bowhunting on the other hand is being able to actually draw on the animal wothout spooking it. I can think of many places I hunt that that could be hunted with a crossbow but not a bow because they'd see you move as opposed to just having to pull a trigger."
Great comment. I shot several animals with a compound and always drew with the animals head behind a tree using a mechanical release. Looking back how easy that was. Trying to draw now on an animal with no ability to hold at full draw for over a few seconds has proven to be a be challenge. My point ? As a crossbow is easier because of the no draw, its as valid a point as a compound having a fulladvantage over a recurve/longbow with 85% letoff. Those comparisons and the above is why I am thinking that as a crossbow vs compound argument is based on easy and style of shooting so does inlines vs caplocks and more so flintlocks.
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From: Youngwood PA USA
i think that anything but a flintlock muzzleloader is STUPID THe flintlock is the only gun which u really hunt with a totallu different gun its like ur hunting back in the OOOOOOLD days
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eldeguello, we agree. As far as ignition, my BEST inline uses the #11 caps just as many sidelocks do. The only real advantage is perhaps a faster locktime in the inline when comparing the AVERAGE sidelock to the average inline and the fact that most inlines are easily scoped if the old eyes require glass (as do mine). SOME inlines also operate more quietly when preparing to shoot (safety vs cocking a hammer) and some are even noisier.
Good eyes and steady nerves with a well tuned sidelock rifle are awfully hard to beat at the range and certainly in the field.
Good eyes and steady nerves with a well tuned sidelock rifle are awfully hard to beat at the range and certainly in the field.
#19
It is possible to buy or build a sidelock with a fast twist that will shoot a saboted bullet or a heavy conical with the exact same amount of powder as any inline. Example: Lyman Great Plains Hunter. How can one then conclude than inlines "have flatter trajectories"? Just because a rifle is a sidelock doesn't mean that you have to shoot patched round balls in it!! One of my slow-twist round-ball rifles is very accurate with a 370-grain Maxi-Ball and uses up to 140 grains of powder with this bullet! As far as ignition goes, I have several "Mag-Spark" nipple adapters that let me use No. 209 primers on my sidelocks, and a couple of other adapters that use Large Rifle primers instead of No. 11 caps. But I found that with an Uncle Mike's Hotshot nipple and CCI No. 11 Magnum caps, I can shoot Pyrodex in my sidelocks (NOT PELLETS!!) with no misfires at all. I even sometimes use Pyrodex in a flintlock with a 10 grain priming charge of FFFg in the barrel first. No, other than being able to remove the breechblock for cleaning, I believe a good sidelock can equal an inline in all other respects!!
Keep yore powder dry!!
Keep yore powder dry!!
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I love all guns. I don't care if someone uses a rifle in bow season, a bow in rifle season or a slingshot in muzzleloading season as long as there is plenty of game left for me. I think alot of busy bodies try to push there ideals on others. Maybe they got too much time on there hands.
I took my sidelock out yesterday morning and took a doe for some meat for sausage and bolonia. Its rifle season, and I could have took out any rifle or sluggun I got, but just wanted to clear a load from my muzzleloader and said, "what the hey".
Only time I would care what someone uses is when I can't find any game and my neighbors have this huge advantage of killing game illegally with a rifle during bow season or whatever.
I took my sidelock out yesterday morning and took a doe for some meat for sausage and bolonia. Its rifle season, and I could have took out any rifle or sluggun I got, but just wanted to clear a load from my muzzleloader and said, "what the hey".
Only time I would care what someone uses is when I can't find any game and my neighbors have this huge advantage of killing game illegally with a rifle during bow season or whatever.


