Doegirl75

I had some trouble with shockwaves opening up on deer. I was faced with a decision, up the powder charge or change bullets. The bullets got changed. Put on the overalls today to put a couple hours worth of range time in. So far, the t/c cheapshot bullets are shooting best for me. Question is, this is an all lead hollowpoint. Is it possible to push 'em too fast? I want them to expand, not explode. Right now, I'm using 80 grains triple 7 ffg. And question #2, would you take a shoulder shot on a deer with these? Thanks..

cayugad

I think the powder charge sounds about right. You hit a shoulder, that thing will really open up. No telling how far it will penetrate, but you're going to get expansion. I think instead I would try to tuck it behind the shoulder and angle it towards the outside shoulder. Then you should really make a mess of the internal organs and still knock the deer a good jolt..

I actually like those cheap shots. I would not hesitate to shoot a deer with one of them.

rks1949

There are allot of people using them around here for deer hunting,and getting great results. Some are using 100grs.777 with them and are really laying the deer out.

sabotloader

Doegirl75

I use hollow point in my muzzleloaders I am a firm believer that they work and they do the job they are suppose. I have to tell you at the present time I am shooting Nosler Partitions for deer I shoot .451 - 260 grain HP's. My most recent experiance with them re-affirms my beliefs. I shot a smal buck at a 170+ yards from my Omega. The deer was climbingup from the creek bottom at the top of the bank he paused, with a slight angle looking right at me. The only shot I had was head - neck - chest, I chose the chestpulled the trigger - the bullet entered the chest passed through the shoulder and escaped out the other side. Penetration it has it is a partition it will penetrate because it stays together. When I opened the chest cavity the heart and lungs were jelly - the bullet may have passed through the heart but it did not pass through all of the heart and/or lungs. The hydrostatic shock of the hollow point aboslutely blew up the vitals cavity. The best part as it passed through the shoulder creating a 1"+ hole it really did not destroy that much meat.

For me, because of the price of Nosler's now, I am working with theSpeer Gold Dots both the .452 - 250 grain and the300 grain. They are bonded and will not come apart, they are also designed so that petals will open to a certainpoint, down to the copper dot in the middle and then stop - so you have all the weight of the lead on the petals and the weight of the lead in the base providing penetration. The copper petals do a tremendouse job cutting tissue as it passes through. The 300 grain has a very good BC for a HP - something like 230.

Hope I have not confused the issue and good luck in your search...

Pglasgow

I'll second what cayugad said.

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Jennifer

These will expand nicely with 70-110 grains and take out both shoulders going in. Read both reviews while there at Cabelas. Use around 75-90 grains of powder with them.... may need a wonderwad - may not!

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Sharp Shooter

How much to they weigh?

cayugad

Cheap Shots are 240 grains of pure lead with a slight hollow indent on the nose. They shoot as well as the 240 grain XTP's in most rifles. I have a CVA Staghorn that just nails it when loaded with 90 grains and one of these. They really are a nice projectile and very reasonable.

lemoyne

Yes you can overdrive lead bullets,the first thing that shows when you do is loss of accuracy, as long as they maintain accuracy you will have a good working bullet. Lee