How is this....
09-16-2006, 08:03 AM
#2
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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RE: How is this....
Tripple Seven shoots great in some rifles. It makes a bad crud ring in some just above the powder column and restricts the ability of loading a second shot until the crud ring is removed. In some rifles a wet patch will remove it and in some it requires a brass brush and then several wet patches. You will just have to try it. It does have a little more energy in short barrels as the pressure rise rate is higher than the ascorbic acid based powders like APP, Goex Pinnacle, and Black Mag'3. In longer barrels I prefer Black Mag'3. My Omega hates Tripple Seven and performs great with Black Mag'3.
09-16-2006, 08:23 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
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RE: How is this....
ORIGINAL: BOWHUNTER818
I just bought the hogdon triple se7en (FFG). And was wondering how does it stack up to the American Pioneer or other brands in shooting cababilities?
I just bought the hogdon triple se7en (FFG). And was wondering how does it stack up to the American Pioneer or other brands in shooting cababilities?
09-16-2006, 10:01 AM
#4
Join Date: Mar 2006
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RE: How is this....
When I started looking for a load in my new muzzleloader this I bought a pound of pyrodex and 777 powder form, well in my gun 777 left a minor crud ring but nothing that effected the loading and the cleaning was a breeze 2 wet patches and the crud ring was gone and that was 9shots without swabbing(just testing). But when it came to the pyrodex after a few shots the barrel was dirty to the point where it was hard to load and I found cleaning to be way more of a chore than enjoyment. This was the case in my rifle every rifle is differnent(that's what I hear anyways). Both shoot good groups but like said above 777 is more powerful than pyrodex. I don't know a app yet we just got in here a month ago so when my pound of 777 is done I will try the app well JS Gold.
09-16-2006, 11:36 AM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,922
RE: How is this....
ORIGINAL: SaskBushMan
When I started looking for a load in my new muzzleloader this I bought a pound of pyrodex and 777 powder form, well in my gun 777 left a minor crud ring but nothing that effected the loading and the cleaning was a breeze 2 wet patches and the crud ring was gone and that was 9shots without swabbing(just testing). But when it came to the pyrodex after a few shots the barrel was dirty to the point where it was hard to load and I found cleaning to be way more of a chore than enjoyment. This was the case in my rifle every rifle is differnent(that's what I hear anyways). Both shoot good groups but like said above 777 is more powerful than pyrodex. I don't know a app yet we just got in here a month ago so when my pound of 777 is done I will try the app well JS Gold.
When I started looking for a load in my new muzzleloader this I bought a pound of pyrodex and 777 powder form, well in my gun 777 left a minor crud ring but nothing that effected the loading and the cleaning was a breeze 2 wet patches and the crud ring was gone and that was 9shots without swabbing(just testing). But when it came to the pyrodex after a few shots the barrel was dirty to the point where it was hard to load and I found cleaning to be way more of a chore than enjoyment. This was the case in my rifle every rifle is differnent(that's what I hear anyways). Both shoot good groups but like said above 777 is more powerful than pyrodex. I don't know a app yet we just got in here a month ago so when my pound of 777 is done I will try the app well JS Gold.
For inline testing, buy the FF.
For sidelock testing, buy the FFF and say a prayer you get instantaneous ignition because both grain sizes are very large&most powderflasks will not pour that stuff out -- thus the lack of sufficient powder granules under your nipple sometimes.
MyOmega loved the APP. I can hear it in my gun safecrying for it every night.
I won't feed it the APP anymore because I want (1) powder manufacturer and grain size for all my MLs from 45-58 caliber.777 powder doesexactly that!
09-16-2006, 01:46 PM
#6
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mesa, Arizona
Posts: 986
RE: How is this....
[quote]ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
How do you get the Omega to shoot 777 without the "Crud Ring from Hell"? Mine must be the worst one ever made by T/C as it just will not shoot 777 without a severe ring. Most Omegas seem to love the ascorbic acid based powders. Mine loves Black Mag'3. I wonder if it is the breechplug design or the actual barrel dimensions. I have tried all the normal fixes and now have some Tripple Seven primers to try. The 25ACP conversion was the best fix with only a mild ring although it does not allow a second shot without swabing the bore.
ORIGINAL: SaskBushMan
APP/Shockeys Gold/Goex Pinnacle... all out of the same womb.
MyOmega loved the APP. I can hear it in my gun safecrying for it every night. I won't feed it the APP anymore because I want (1) powder manufacturer and grain size for all my MLs from 45-58 caliber.
777 powder doesexactly that!
APP/Shockeys Gold/Goex Pinnacle... all out of the same womb.
MyOmega loved the APP. I can hear it in my gun safecrying for it every night.
I won't feed it the APP anymore because I want (1) powder manufacturer and grain size for all my MLs from 45-58 caliber.777 powder doesexactly that!
09-16-2006, 02:00 PM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,922
RE: How is this....
No oils or lubes in the bore
FFF powder instead of FF
Winchester Triple Se7en primers
Forceful-compacted loose powder seating
Black nylon brush bore-swabbing with 91% alky/plain blue Windex 50-50 mix
Heavy bullets and sub-100 grain powder charges
Swab with wet patch every 2nd shot
That's what seems to be the best ticket tocombat the crud ring.
I sincerely believe that T/C Inc doesn't even know why you have a severe case of it. They are shopping for answers to this day -- even read & use some of the suggestions we post on boards like this one.
FFF powder instead of FF
Winchester Triple Se7en primers
Forceful-compacted loose powder seating
Black nylon brush bore-swabbing with 91% alky/plain blue Windex 50-50 mix
Heavy bullets and sub-100 grain powder charges
Swab with wet patch every 2nd shot
That's what seems to be the best ticket tocombat the crud ring.
I sincerely believe that T/C Inc doesn't even know why you have a severe case of it. They are shopping for answers to this day -- even read & use some of the suggestions we post on boards like this one.
09-16-2006, 06:22 PM
#9
Typical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Posts: 878
RE: How is this....
The good news is anything including plain water can be used to swab with Triple Se7en. At the range I use good old #13 T/C cleaner and it works fine. So does alchohol patches and Hoppie's. It's good stuff once you get use to it but it ain't real BP
09-16-2006, 09:08 PM
#10
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kerrville, Tx. USA
Posts: 2,722
RE: How is this....
ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
For sidelock testing, buy the FFF and say a prayer you get instantaneous ignition because both grain sizes are very large&most powderflasks will not pour that stuff out -- thus the lack of sufficient powder granules under your nipple sometimes.
ORIGINAL: SaskBushMan
For sidelock testing, buy the FFF and say a prayer you get instantaneous ignition because both grain sizes are very large&most powderflasks will not pour that stuff out -- thus the lack of sufficient powder granules under your nipple sometimes.