Dondo, I get the same thing and it has never caused a problem, the only powder I ever have problems with is 777 I don't like having to wipe every shot I never needed to do that with black and it is so had to ignite that I can't use it with anything except hot shot gun primers even then my groups open up because of slight hang fires;I have yet to understand why so many people use it. Lee

I'm with you about the use of 777. Personally I have so much trouble with the hard crud ring that forms in my Omega I have offered to give all the 777 I have to anyone that wants to come by and pick it up. One guy said it makes a good garden fertilizer (I may try that next). Many use it because it advertises that it is "more powerful" than black powder. In fine form fffg it might be but the ffg stuff I tried was put to shame by Black Mag'3 which actually over a chronograph performed better than 777 without the dreaded crud ring.

I have an attitude? I dont believe you started this post. I was just expressing the fact that some people are always acting like APP is a powder that has the absortion qualities of a sponge. I have never in any way ever said anything directed straight at you or even mentioned your name Mr.Triple Se7en. I have never even bad mouth 777 powder. A person just reading what you said can get a pretty good impression of what type of person you are . Do you have grudges against all people in general or me in particular. Does my Avatar bother you? I dont think the forums is the place to vent them out. I call it flaming. We are here to discuss our views and opinions as adults in adult fashions. To go and say what you said is childish and uncalled for. This is how arguments get started and feelings hurt but I guess you have different morals that i do.

Quote from American Pioneer "I dont know where everyone is getting the idea of the dampened APP powder thing. Ive used it on damp days, rainy days, snowy days, etc. Ive never had any problems with it not going off or any delays in firing. It works like any other powder Ive tried and it is the cleanest I have used to date. Someone must be letting rain or moisture go down their barrels for this to happen. Any powder will get wet and fail if you allow moisture to get to it. A piece of tape over the barrel wil prevent this from happening but I have never used it. I just dont hold my barrel skywards if it is raining or snowing which makes common sense. As for the primers i have always used the winchester muzzleloading. I did use federal 209 primers for reloading before that. I may try some of the remingtons again this year just to see how they fare to the winchesters."
I not only agree I live in AR where winter [when we hunt] is usually very wet and I have been using APP FF in my hawken as well as my inline and have not had any problem If you can use it with #11 caps and musket caps in wet weather with out any problem then what are these people doing [and there is a number of them] that do experance difficulty?
The only thing I know of that I do that is not a commenly accepted practice is cleaning the guns with boiling water and making sure they are completely dry before loading for hunting. It rain twice last year in the first week of our muzzle season and I dropped my buck without any miss or hang fires.Could it be that the difficulties are from oil in the barrel? Lee

If I could only getAPP to group big conicals with my Omega for Colorado, I would use it, but so far I haven't found the right combo! I have both BM3 and APP, so I am going to keep experimenting. Unfortunately, I have not have any range time lately! Going to try some 460 grain no excuses next. They would not fly with BM3.

I've never had luck with APP and Pinnacle when shooting large conicals. Then I use Goex or Triple Se7en or Pyrodex P

I agree with the poor results with BM3 and large conicals. I use 777 with the NE's but pyro p should work well too.

txhunter58, My best results in the Omega,was with Black FF and Pinnacle
But the thing that made the most difference was a greased felt wad,I make my own with plug cutters and grease them with bore butter, every gun is different I have one that just don't like conicals. Lee

Sorry,