Sabotloader said: "but with a rampWilliams fiber front site with a open hood"

I guess that I don't understand and haven't seen this setup. Are you saying that the front sight has fiberoptics too? Is it possible to post a picture or do you have a purchase source that I could see a picture? thanks

I guess it would depend on what I was shooting...if I was practicing and participating in 200-300 yardmatches with appropriate sizetargets I'd shoot those distances;

If I was hunting withmy.58cal, had strong lighting,a rock solid rest, not hurried, I wouldn't hesitate to take a standing broadside deer at 150yds.

To date, the longest open sight muzzleloader shot I've ever had to take was70yds with a .54cal, complete pass through.

txhunter58

I can do that I am headed out right now to get my Sunday morning relaxation in (trap shooting and then to the rock pit ML shooting) so as soon as I get back I will get some pictures up for you.

I looked a bit on the williams sight last night but did not find what i was looking for. I have the paper catalog which I ordered from and it shows the sight, but anyway will post later. I am trying to think of a way to kinda get a picture of the sight picture????

Thanks for the interest - are you shooting an inline?

I am shooting a T/C omega 50 caliber with a williams peep and a front fiberoptic bead.

My peep is mounted at the very rear of the barrel in the rear scope threads. I use the Twilight hunting peep with as big an appeture as I can get.

I am also considering putting a KNS hooded crosshair front sight on my gun. Here is a link to a discussion of what I am talking about with pictures: http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID14/1201.html

Just not sure that I would be happy with this set up at dawn and dusk.

txhunter58

I have looked at the information you provided briefly - my iniatial thought was I do not think I would like that in the hunting situations that am normally in. I am really intriqued by the front sight but I also worry about the size and possibly the durability.

Rear mounted peep looks right to me. To gain more light you can drill the peep apeture out a little larger and/or remove the apeture altogether as if it were a ghost ring. As much as I like a peep sight - I have been unhappy with themin low light.Even when I remove the apeture and have use just sightas a ghost ring, which works real well for shotguns and hunting turkeys. I really like peeps when the ligh tis in my favor.

Now all of this can change if phisically I might see what the pictures are showing me.

I have an extra problem besides being old my vision really suffers in low light conditions. Low light for me might be plenty for you and others but for me I struggle. The fiber optic really helps me compensate.

Sooo, what I have done for me is to mount a Thompson Center adjustablerear fiber optic sight about 1" up the barrel from it's normal location. I like the TC because it has a better windage adjustment than the Williams sight. The one inch is to make up for my eyes again in the normal position they are just a bit blurry one inch further away they are solid.

The front sight is a Williams Streamlined Ramp with a Streamlined fiber optic front blade installed. There is a ton of heigth options to work with so you will need to do some home work to get the correct setup. I called Williams with some measurements they worked out the answer and sent me the set up.

I do not struggle in low light with this set up... and like I indicated before it sort of gives me a scope like picture with the open hood installed. I end up dropping the front sight on the animal - the hood provides a shooting circle - then align the sights works nifty for me.

Here is a picture of the front sight and I am sure you know what the TC rear sight is.

Hope some of this helps....

txhunter wrote.

I am also considering putting a KNS hooded crosshair front sight on my gun. Here is a link to a discussion of what I am talking about with pictures: http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforu...ID14/1201.html

I like it alot. They seem to be very visible. This method of rear aperture and front globe (hooded) sight with insert reticle is a old tried and true sight combination. It wasused on the old big bore cartridge rifles for popping buffalo at over 200 yds. And also used in the long range competition shooting of the day. To get an idea of how far they were shooting with them, take stock of the very longtang mounted ramp theaperturewas attached to. They really lobbed away at distance targets with this set up.

I had a hard time seeing the reticle clearly in my globe front sight but if it were brighter may be i wouldn't have. Actually, I would like to try this set up someday, maybe after you report on it.

Happy Hunting, Phil

Thanks Sabot. I downloaded their catalog, and figured that sight was the one you were talking about. This would not work with my peep becausethe peepwould not be high enough. Will have to think about that one. I have always liked the more open view that a peep gives me than the rear sight you are using. I use the twilight peep with the biggest hole they make and remove it to get a ghost ring if I need to.

Pglasgow: Still not sold on the crosshair. Wish they made it with fiberoptics, of course, then it might be too fragile to use in the field. Possibly just the concussion of shooting the rifle would break them too. I still have reserations about it because even painted white, in low light, it would be hard to see. Would show up ok in bright light and shade, but early dawn and late dusk would probably be hard even painted white. Would also have to jack up my peep 0.25 inches.

I may have been able to shoot the KNS crosshairs front sight twenty years ago, but now I see two sets of crosshairs [8D]. For me, the green fiber optic (.038) front sight is the ticket. I use a rear peep with a 3/32 aperature and have it mounted as close to my eye as I can get it. Can shoot this combination as well as a low powered scope, and have made several shots approaching 200 yards on elk with no problem.

The other front sight you might consider is the LeVang type - which is an open aperature. The hole in the front sight substends almost 12 MOA, but it is amazing how well your eye can determine the center of the hole. You look through the rear peep, look through the front peep, and focus on the target. I shot a 1" group with one of these front sights on an AR-15 about six months ago. Still, I think the green fiber optic would be best in low light. Regards. Roskoe.

Me too. I used to practice shooting handguns at long ranges like ol' Elmer Keith used to do, by holding up some of the front sight, and "adjusting fire", like with artillery. But a good Patridge sight will let you do this, and it is hard to do with the open sights that are on most ML rifles-these obscure too much of the target area to let you observe bullet strikes so you can apply "burst on target" fire adjustment techniques.

www.rmcsports.com.they have V-PEEP sight.enter V-PEEP in search when you get to site, i like it very much.if i am aiming at 100 yards at target, i just bury front green fiber sight in the bottom of the V-PEEP. for deer,its not necessary to do this as most shots will be 60 yds to 80 yds anyhow here in pa.so, you can use dead on aim but for target,i bury front sight in the V-PEEP.nice thing is you dont have to line up front and rear sight. when you see front sight ,you are on. i tried moving v-peep rear sight back to breech area as some said they can see better. i could not, it blurred right up but thats my eyes. v-peep goes in exact location as your original rear sight was. i am still trying to make this sight better but so far, i cant. i do have suggestion. fiber optic is real nice but i would like to see one that LIGHTS UP but is still real small in size like small fiber is. that would be a GREAT thing on front sight for us with fair eyes and darkness in morning/evening hunting.