triple se7evn,,

no i did not run a patch though the ot do so,,bu ti also shoot twice before adjusting the scope to make sure that it was not somehting else that could of cause it and i only shoo about and 1" lower than first shot,,
no we do not share the same rifle,,i am shooting a cva eclipse magnum,,240grn, t/cxtp's 80grns. of 777,, its in the signature aswell,,

bonsaidiver,,

no i was not in a hurry but the caffinee could possibly been a factor,,not sure how so,,could u possible explain on this a little more???? the breathing thing could have been part of it but my beathing was very relaxed,,the only thing maybe was that i was not holding before squeezeing the trigger.
we were using sandbags for a bench rest and i was in a comfortable posisionbut was never in the same posision cause my dad would move the chair cause he does shoot left handed my scope is zoomed in all the way but since u said that the eye relief chages i may unzoom it to about half way,,

hope this help yall a little more

PSE: at least with me, if I drink a lot of caffiene I notice that I tend to be in more of a hurry when I shoot. My attitude tends to be more: "just pull the trigger" rather than waiting for when the shot "feels" right. Again this is an observation about my shooting, it may or may not apply to you.

Also, I have noticed that when I am shooting with someone else, I never shoot my best. Its just too distracting. I don't mind shooting with other people, its a lot of fun. But in that situation, I expect to be more fun oriented rather than trying to shoot my best.

When sighting in, I like to go by myself. This way I can completely focus on the gun, what I"m doing, take notes, make adjustments, compare results, etc., etc.

As for the breathing, there are a number of techniques. The one you use should be what works best for you. However, as with much of shooting, consistency is key. What I do:
-acquire a close sight picture
-inhale (a normal breath) and hold
-acquire a final sight picture
-squeeze off the round
-exhale

I hope this is of some help to you.

~Robert

I would recheck the scope base/rings. My guess is they are coming loose. Retighen and resight.

I give up SilverHawk! How can you complain that a first shot is a foot high -- then come back here after I tell you how to fix it -- only to tell me that the 2nd shot was only 1" lower???? Then after admitting sharing the rifle for range work, you now say you don't. I'm getting nowhere handing out any advice here.

You need to go back to the range when the temps fallbelow 75 degrees-- by yourself & start by making sure your barrel is clean & dry. Then shoot three primers to clear the plug& barrel of any remaining residue.

Fire a round every five minutes using a sabot/bullet you haven't tried yet. Although you may not like them for hunting purposes - even though I do.... a nice inexpensive range bullet are the 240 gr. T/C Cheapshots. Swab after every 2nd shot with both sides of a wet alky/Windex spray patch & dry with both sides of a dry patch. If using patches less than 3" diameter with Pyrodex, 777 or real black.... use two.

Let us know how you make out. If errant shots continue, change the powder & start fresh again.

See what happens after that & good luck!

Triple se7en i am sorry to hear that u give up,,butu did not realy read the first post that well,,cause i said i shot first time at 50 and ws a foot high,,then i said i shot agian and was only 1" lower on second with no adjustments

/quote"whenshoot it labour day i was more like 12" high and3or 4" leftat 50yrd, so i shot again about an inch lower that first"/quote

also i do not share my gun with anyone,,cayuad suggested that maybe if my gun keeps having fits to have someone else shoot it to see if they have troubles with it,,and i asked if it matter that if that person shot left handed instead of right

/quote"Also if the gun starts to act up, have someone else shoot the thing and see if it does the same for them. That is one of the advantages of shooting with others...."/quote

/quote"anyway does it matter if they are right or left hand,,cause my dad shoots left hand, and i shoot right,(i prolly should shoot left but think i would be difficult to do and dont want to do it this close to season)"/quote

i do hope that this does clear up your confusions so that u can still help me with my problem as well as any i have in the future

Follow the instructions to my last post. Start over again -- by yourself -- withtwo new bullets in different grain sizes... maybe a 240 Cheapshot & 300 grain XTP-- don't have any oils or lubes in the bore -- swab after every 2nd shot -- either change the powder if necessary or first try 70 & 90 grains before going back to 80. Your magic volume could be 95 or 100... maybe even 85 or 75.

Let us know how you make out.

I think you're fooling with the sights too much! You need to be able to shoot a GROUP first, in which all the bullets go to pretty much the same place, THEN you can adjust the sights to move THE CENTER OF YOUR GROUP to the point of impact you want to zero your rifle for. If you change your sights every time you fire a round that does not go where you want it, you'll NEVER get it set right, 'cause you won't really know where your actual "average" point of impact is......

IF you are a fairly decent shot yourself, but cannot shoot a reasonably small group with this rifle/load combo, then there is something wrong with the gun, your load, or both! As mentioned by others, your scope mount could be loose-even a movement as small as 1/1000" of an inch in the mount could account for a 12" difference in the point of impact. Or, there could be something loose inside the scope, so that the reticle has moved, or worse, is moving every time you shoot!

Then again, it is possible that the way you clean your bore and dry it before shooting, or the way it fouls when fired, might be to blame, although I doubt that this would throw you off as much as a footat 50 yards!

Try to be as consistent as possible with everything you do-cleaning, measuring & loading the powder, seating the bullet exactly the same depth in the bore with exactly the same pressure, etc. Once you get to where you can shoot a group of five shots into 2" or less at 50 yards, you can then adjust your scope to put the bullet about 3" high at 50, which should put you close to dead center at 100 yards.....

How old are you PSE?? I think it isnt the gun at all from how your shots are spread all over the place I think it is the shooter, are you setting at a table to site it in with a sandbag or are you just standing there all day long holding up your gun. It could be fatigue or just a young shooter moving the barrel around or flinching...who knows

ElDeguello is correct here. Get a tight grouping on the paper first-anywhere, it doesn't matter. Then move the group by adjusting the sights in small increments.

Best of luck.

~Robert