Well, I waited for awhile on this, PR bullets are one of the best out there hands down, If you match the bullet to the rifle you will 99% of the time not have a problem. Cecil is a great guy to talk to and help you out, He is also Canadian and comes across a little harsh sometimes, but he will help you out and steer you right. Do you have to buy his product after you talk to him? NO! but you will go away with great info, then buy whatever you want. And if anyof you are wondering, I dealt with him for over two years almost every day. And yes this is the only bullet I shoot.

I second that recommendation. I have a T/C Encore 209x50 which would not shoot any load in T/C's manual consistently enough to hit a 4'x4' target holder at 100 yards. I learned of Precision and Cecil, contacted him and got recommendations for two bullets, heavier and longer than the loads in the manual (300 gr. with poly tip and 330 gr. hollow point). I bought small quantities of both, and without changing anything else, got consistently great groups with both with loads from 90 to 150 gr. of Pyrodex. I then bought about 250 of each bullet and have been pleased as can be with my gun and results ever since. I have since found that my gun handles other relatively long, heavy bullets well.

I agree with Doc. I've read Cecil's recommendations on the T/C inlines using his poly-tip DCs/QTs. It's the heavy ones he recommends when you mention a mix of short/long distance hunting. Also... alot of his recommendations are based on powder. If you use a fast take-off powder like 777, you won't be asked to purchase a bullet grain that a Pyrodex RS user is purchasing for the exact same rifle as yours.

Hunting style - rifle - rifle length - amount of powder - what make of powder.... are all considered by Cecil.

I had high hopes for PR bullets. I have tried them in all kinds of configurations with no luck. Both the rifles I have tried them in shoot sub2MOA with barnes expanders, and 240gr XTP's. But I keep getting flyers from the PR's. Tried 2 different powders, pellets, and two diffferent bullet wieghts. With subbases, without subbases, No luck.


I really wanted them to work too.

Undersized Precision bullets in oversized Knight bores is the reason for your bad luck.

Yep, you have said this three other times when I posted my results about PR. I heard it the first time and slugged and used a subbase. Do you know know what a subbase is? And I slugged, and your wrong again. Please let it go. I have my experienced opinion as you do. And everyone is entitled to thiers. You post your results, and I will post mine. How does that sound?

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Hmmm!!!!

You keep posting there's a problem
I keep posting why there's a problem.
You stop - I'll stop!

What you're neglecting to tell everyone about your subbase failures is why the subbase failed to produce the results you were seeking.

That was not Precision Bullet failure -- That was subbase failure. In many cases involving White & Knight rifles, the subbase makes accuracy worse. There are two reasons.

1) Only the base is fully engaging the rifling.... not the sabot surrounding the bullet.
2) The subbase creates more revolutionary turns with your rifling than the sabot/bullet itself... thus one spinning more than the other, causing the sabot/bullet to tumble more.... making matters worse.

I'm all done helping you bigcountry. You have a poor attitude toward my replies.... signaling you've got all the answers & don't require my help. You appear to believe in the saying that One Size Fits All. with muzzleloaders & their components

. You are the same guy that came on this forum initially - not that long ago believing the gun was the problem & not the use of 150 grains of powder. You have come a longs ways in the learning process since & it's difficult to get that degree in Muzzleloading 101 when the pupil refuses advice from a ML teacher.

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Mr. Notwrong Onthis

Wow, thanks for all those years of help. Got to see where I needed your help or advise. Or when I every asked it.

I took your advise once. And it was dead wrong. I explained how you were wrong. I gave you facts and figures. But of course, you wouldn't hear of it, as usual. Cause you have never said you were wrong. I was at one time open for your advise, but came to find out, your facts are not what find in real life.

By the way, I have more than one rifle that I have tried these in. I have TC Encore, TC Cougar, TC Sidelock, (well had), Knight Disc Extreme, Knight Wolverine. And have tried the PR bullets in three of them. So, a guy asks a question, and I post my results. You should do the same, not critique the ones I post. For some reason, its extremely important to you that people like these sabot/bullet combos. I am not sure why.

Because I help folks on so many forums, I do not recall misleading you - nor do I believe I mislead you.

Please back-up your statements & retrieve the posts where I led you down the wrong path.

I do believe you will have a "real difficult" time producing such posts. I do recall an admittance by you (maybe another ml site), where you stated that slugging your barrel produced evidence that your Knight was a typical oversized diameter in comparison to most models/makes from competitors.

Bigcountry
Take a micrometer to every bullet store you go to. Tape and scizzors too! Measure them after purchase in your vehicle. If they don't fit to your satisfaction, return them immediately.

I do it all the time. I never leave home to go ML component shoping without my micrometer.

Now you see I lied.... I accidently helped you again!

There's a few I have seen you on that strongly suggests something different. Wasn't it Muzzleloaderforums.com. Anyway, if you feel you do thats all that matters.

You quoted that all Knights are oversized. Made a blanket statement. I said my 8 year old wolverine was a tad oversized but my discs were not. You did not agree. Even though you said you never had a knight I believe. (that kinda cracks me up). So right then and there, I sized you up.

Here it is. I think all your knowledge on the subject is mostly internet knowledge. I tried to school ya, but as usual, you are the expert of experts in your own mind.

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