I used to use the T/C #13 but has some bad experiences with it when not using anything but a 209 primer. That was the reason I went to the alcohol windshield mix... because it drys so fast. I was shooting today and was using Clean Shot. I had some left over from about six years ago. I shot what had to be over 30 shots and only had to swab three or four times I think.

That is one reason I want to really try some of that Black Mag3. Also on my next powder order I am going to get some more Pinnacle.

Yea, I can see that. I swab with it then two more patches. At that point if you don't load it right away, you will have the same hard loading like youdo with your alcohal mix.

Yep... when some of that cleaning solvent gets burnt, it can cause sticky bore walls ... making loading the next sabot even more difficult. Keep your swabbing agent mild & simple. Really... all you need is a mix of water & alcohol for best results with inlines (no hang/misfires).

Never had any problems with the #13 unless I used to much of the stuff. If you know you did you can cure it quick with shooting a cap another dry patch and a nipple picking. One thing I have done for years but not lately is actually clean my rifles with #13 instead of the hot water in the sink stink thing and it worked fine. Wife was happy I was doing it too....

Course fouling seems to hold up my sabots more than anything the last inch or two being the worst. I find that if I am on the range shooting a wet followed by two dry cleaning works quite well. Some of the sabots load hard always have always will. I now buy sabots in bulk and use pistol bullets that are the right size for them.

Another though is whatever you are loading may be making some hard fouling and a pass or two with the brush may help. It never hurts.

Bore brush is the best solution to the crud ring near the breechplug. Moist patches help too.

i would resort to pre-lubed cleaning patches from TC the windshield fluid doesnt sound liek a good solution. or bore butter would work also. glad to be of any assistance.

We are talking sabots here, not lead conicals. Bore butter and other lubes will lend an element of inconsistency in the loading and shooting of sabot projectiles.