Yep think id like to aviod the bear last stand situation if at all possible lol.

I see now theres a foot lbs energy for those 38 cal balls at 231 ... each. I sure wouldnt want to shoot a brown bear with a 38 special & a soft bullet ( &light ones too?)AS a whole tho that load looks the best with a shot load.
Found some old 50 cal cases& a link& a few bullets in the mtns, ww2 practice area i think(planes)... those full metal jackets still in great shape other then being green.

700+ grains nice& pointy & full metal jacket. bet theyed penatrate well & no need for expantion lol. would fit in a 12 gauge hull?3inch? 12 gauge = 76 cal right?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

But taking the fat ier guy who cant run as fast sounds easyier.()

May i have my smaller (under 76 cal.) lead balls plated( bronze , copper etc) plz & no 22,sballsa thks <img src=icon_smile_sleepy.gif border=0 align=middle> bears should not be poked.

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BLAIN...


you ever get to go to the hunt in austrailia for free form that guy who thought you could not take their game with buckshot?

also you gonna hunt MA. this year? let me know.

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Well, Blains last response was three days ago. Maybe he finally went bear huntin`.



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NRA,UBP,BASS Member
New Stanton,PA

Peter Hathaway Capstick in one of his books(I believe it was &quot;Death in Silent Places&quot talks about this very subject only his quary isa wounded Leopard, considered by most the most dangerous game. He did some research about buckshot and found that the way teh pellets load into a shotshell Number 1 buck has over 1/3 MORE pellets that 00 buck and a diameter of only .03 inches less. .30 vs .33.
He made a very persuasive argument about the uses and non-uses of buckshot including a story about shooting a lion with a number of rounds at 35 - 40 yards and none of the pellets penitrating to do any damage.

From what I have seen and read is you are going to use a shotgun for self defense against a bear it will need to be at very close distance or you are just going to make the bear made and also target the head and not body. IF he can't see you he is going to have a tougher time finding you.

Just my 2 cents



Greg

&quot;Getting close to the game is the joy of Bowhunting for me, the harvest is a bonus.&quot;

Live 15 ft Python after eating a small Antelope!

&quot;also you gonna hunt MA. this year? let me know.&quot;

Yeah, I really want to go hunting this year, I'll PM you my number and e-mail address and we'll get in touch.

From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.

I couldn't find a way to PM you, so I just e-mailed you instead.

From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.

&quot;Using Buckshot for bear defense&quot; some reason that just doesnt sit well with me.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Yes, I will use you for bear defense!! I have the honey bottle I am going to squirt on you right here.

From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.

Are any of these loads plated or just lead balls? The plated buckshot holds a great pattern. It's what I would use.