Yep think id like to aviod the bear last stand situation if at all possible lol.

I see now theres a foot lbs energy for those 38 cal balls at 231 ... each. I sure wouldnt want to shoot a brown bear with a 38 special & a soft bullet ( &light ones too?)AS a whole tho that load looks the best with a shot load.
Found some old 50 cal cases& a link& a few bullets in the mtns, ww2 practice area i think(planes)... those full metal jackets still in great shape other then being green.

700+ grains nice& pointy & full metal jacket. bet theyed penatrate well & no need for expantion lol. would fit in a 12 gauge hull?3inch? 12 gauge = 76 cal right?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

But taking the fat ier guy who cant run as fast sounds easyier.()