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Old 08-02-2004 | 01:42 PM
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That is Colorado ... which gives almost all hunters an equal shot at hunting and collects a lot of money from them all.

There are 49 other states.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 01:54 PM
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I am also tired of the public land argument. The federal land belongs to every citizen of the U.S.A. The animals on that federal land belong to the state.
If you kill a animal without a license the state goes after you not the federal goverment.
The state manages the animals, the state issues licenses, the state issues fines. These are state owned animals.
If you want to enjoy federal land? Get off you a$$ and go for a hike in the national forest. Just don't kill an animal without the proper license or the state will come after you.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 02:36 PM
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The animals on that federal land belong to the state.
If you kill a animal without a license the state goes after you not the federal goverment.
The state manages the animals, the state issues licenses, the state issues fines. These are state owned animals.
If you want to enjoy federal land? Get off you a$$ and go for a hike in the national forest. Just don't kill an animal without the proper license or the state will come after you.
I'm sure glad the animals know where the state line is and never cross it.

When you except federal dollars you have to follow federal rules. If you don't want to, then don't except federal funding.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 02:53 PM
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That land is "ours"... not yours.
No kidding. You can come to Utah and hike in any of the National Forests at anytime you want and you'll never hear a peep outta me. But the elk that roam on that land, well they belong to Utah. In Utah we have the dedicated hunters program. I volunteer (that means without pay) so many hours a year to a service that directly benefits wildlife. I go to public meetings and vocally speak out my opinion about management in Utah. I live here and have to deal with the decisions our DWR makes. I just don't see how somebody who doesn't live here can get as a tag as easily as me leaving me out in the dark unable to hunt my own backyard. Non-res tags should be limited.

Think of it like this. Because a car is on a public road does that mean you have as much right to that car as the actual owner. NO. If he decides to sell that car he may give his family the greatest opportunity to buy the car and would give them a better deal he would to a stranger.

So just because elk live on public land, why should somebody in Texas have as much right to hunt that elk as me when it belongs to the state of Utah? Thats like Canada suing the US saying we all live on the same continent and have as much to hunt the animals as you do wanting as many tags to go to Canadians as Americans. The land belongs to everyone, the animals belong to the state. I am completely unaware of why that distinction can't be made.

Next you'll be suing some rich saying the money he has in his bank account belongs to the Federal government and we all should have a right to it. Come on.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 02:55 PM
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CO DOW's 02-03 Statement of Revenue indicates total income of $86,978,681. That amount includes $12,845,370 as Colorado's share of Federal Excise Tax on hunting and fishing gear (15%) and $8,890,067 of Federal Grants, Donations and Lottery proceeds (10%). $60,654,392 was generated through the sales of licenses (70%), and 5% misc...

AZ lists $55,893,700 in revenue, with $20,657,500 as their share of the tax on hunting and fishing gear, 37%!!!!! I'd hate to see it, but won't AZ have to raise prices on NR tags to exorbitant prices to preserve enough tags for residents?
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Old 08-02-2004 | 02:59 PM
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I'm sure glad the animals know where the state line is and never cross it.

When you except federal dollars you have to follow federal rules. If you don't want to, then don't except federal funding.
When the animal crosses state lines, it changes ownership.

Most western states accept very little to no Federal funding for game management. The Federal dollars that go to public land go to cleaning up campsites, dumping the crappers, things like that. If those dollars do end up benefitting widlife it's almost always indirect and the main intention was meant to for some other purpose.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 04:05 PM
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Listen .. some Western states accept money, Arizona .. and they started the discussion, accepted $21 million of its $56 million budget.... but that is not the point.

The point is if every state pinches off the ability to hunt to only the very few and the VERY rich .. you KILL the whole sport!!!! You think a few thousand **** kickers in Utah is going to continue our hunting heritage???? Of course not. It will be the guys from states where they don't have elk, moose, or sheep or some other animal who are the future of our ability to hunt. Can you be any more narrow minded? Think of one generation from now .. and they limit the amount of nonresident tags to 5% of the total .. guess what happens .. NOBODY gets to hunt. You think you can hold on to the right to hunt without the efforts of guys like me in the East???? Dream on. You don't have the money or the political clout to pay the legal bill ... and guess why we pay .. for an honest shot.. not a better shot .. not strict privelages to the best spots ... just a shot at the privelage to hunt.

Think just a little bigger ... act just a little bigger.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 04:13 PM
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The Western states have done just fine for the last 100 years or so without "you guys from the east". I really don't know why we need you now. As a matter of fact, the decline in quality if life in the west can pretty much be attributed to you "guys from the east".

Just a little rant here, why do you people think you have the right to come here and tell us how the cow ate the cabbage? We live here, why do you guys decide that we need wolves, need to have more nonresident hunters, etc? Now, I may sound a little "not in my backyard" but why shouldn't I? I have lived in the west all of my life, and I'll be damned if some guy from Maryland or New Jersey is going to tell me how my state should manage its game.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 04:49 PM
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Yep and from what I can recall it's the easterners moving here that have screwed up just about everything in the western culture. Always movin here then screaming about their "rights" and makin stupid laws. Outlaw lion hunting then bitch when they get eaten. Build homes at the highest part of the desert and complain that yotes ate the poodle. Don't like us carryin guns 'cause it's not PC in the east. Maybe we can have three tag prices for non-res. $475 for west, $480 for midwest and $15000 for east.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 05:11 PM
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You think a few thousand **** kickers in Utah is going to continue our hunting heritage????
No but having a bunch of greenhorn pompous know it all's from back East running around shooting up our elk and deer herds sure as hell ain't the answer.
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