Colorado beware of wolves
 

We have an upcoming problem on our hands. The division of wildlife have been playing with the idea of putting wolves in rocky mountain national park. It really hasn't been published but their was a TV show the other night discussing the topic along with what is happening on the outskirts of yellowstone national park, with elk population and ranchers livestock.

The DOW didn't really say a whole lot about Lynx introduction until they actually had lynx in the state. Then they listed them as a protected species and are spending millions on the project. That in turn takes money away from more wildlife surveys and putting more game officers in the field. Minor problem in most peoples eyes.

Okay heres the deal on rocky mountain national park. Of course you can't hunt it. And pretty much the surrounding areas are not huntable. So they got an elk boom. Very understandable. But bringing in wolves to thin down the elk population is a very bad idea. Not only will they thin out elk, they will also take out livestock, pets, and even people.

So many states are wanting to reintroduce elk herds. I say if they do have a population problem trap some of those elk and trade them to a different state. Keep the elk thriving in all areas of the united states and not let them become food for wolves. Let the areas that have wolves deal with the problem, don't add it Colorado's list of opp's.

The enviromentalists think this is such a great plan. Let nature take care of itself. We are part of nature and those enviromentalist have created this problem from the lack of hunting access. Don't forget to include the developers of high mountain ranches, where they make a refuge out of ranch lands by turning them into places like Vail and Aspen.

When and where ever you can give input to the DOW and insight to enviromentalists I say we better start doing it now. Or hunting will become a very small management tool. Besides it won't take but a few years and them wolves will be spread all over Colorado taking out elk and livestock.

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Well friend, I will be contacting the DOW about this. It is out of control, and to tell you the truth, I would not blame every rancher in the area for sinking a bullet into these things. As if Colorado doesn't have a bad enough coyote problem, they have to introduce these damn things. While I do not condone the extinction of any animal, people need to take into account that humans are a part of nature. These environmentalists write letters crying about this and that, and most of them spend so little time outdoors it is sad! They are all urban-liberal types, who have no idea how nature actually works. So sick of all of them. Thanks for the heads up, I thought limited voices of reason were only residing in Montana and Wyoming for the time being.

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IMO wolves in Colorado are just fine if they have a solid plan for the future to keep their numbers iunder control. The problem arises when they want to put them in places like RMNP and will not allow hunting them to keep a check on their numbers. The wolf population will eventually get so big that they will eventually become just as overpopulated as the elk inside the park. RMNP needs to allow a limited ammount of hunting inside the park boundaries. If not the elk population will soon begin to suffer horribly and so will the wolves.

Nature used to be able to take care of itself long before we got here and took over. Now it is up to us to take care of nature or it will eventually take care of itself at the expence of all of the animals including wolves, elk, moose, deer, lions, bears, small animals, birds, and humans.

I'll be writing the DOW and giving my input as well. Thanks C.O.

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I think if you follow the money trail, the reintroduction of wolves is heavily supported by anti-hunting groups. They realize that this CAN BE a big step toward eliminatiing all hunting. Can anyone explain the logic behind that?? It is ok for a wolf to rip up and kill an elk, but it is not ok for a hunter to kill one with a bullet/arrow, etc?? There is NO logic, that is the problem.

I agree with bigbulls, I would be ok with wolves as long as they are simply another sport animal to be hunted and controlled. HOWEVER, THIS HAVE NEVER, EVER HAPPENED ANYWHERE THEY HAVE BEEN REINTRODUCED AND I BELIEVE IT WON'T EVER HAPPEN, so I am very much against relocation of wolves into any part of Colorado.

We not only need to come out against this proposal, but also find some organizations that will fight it, and contribute to them. Put your money where your mouth is, the antis will be putting plenty of money on the other side.

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You can tell by my handle that I am not a wolf lover.;) You are about 5-years behind the enviro-wacko's. They have been planning to re-introduces wolves into Colorado for at least 5-years that I know of. I was told about this plan during a meeting about wolves in Montana & Wyoming. Ed Bangs was the one who said they had places in Colorado for wolves. Ed Bangs was (or is still?) the man in charge of the wolf reintroduction in Yellowstone National Park.
I think there is a way to block the reintroduction of wolves & lynx into Colorado. Write your senators & congressmen. Tell them to vote NO on the introduction of non-native animals in the state of Colorado. This would eliminate the introduction of the Canadian grey wolf & the canadian Lynx. I think you can talk them into a NO vote with the mention of Mad Cow, CWD and anything else you can think of?
IMHO The wolf reintroduction effort has gone too far for the "average joe citizen" to stop it. You will need help for Washington D.C.

Good Luck,

Wolf Killer

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I wouldn't presume to tell you how to feel about wolves - everybody is entitled to their opinion and even hunters are all over the board on this issue. But cherokee included some bad information in his post and everybody should be working from the facts on this issue. First, the Colorado DOW doesn't have the authority to reintroduce wolves or any other species. The legislature passed a law after the lynx reintroduction that requires legislative approval prior to any reintroduction. There is no way that the Colorado Legislature would approve the reintroduction of wolves. There have been discussions about how to control wolf populations in RMNP. Wolves were listed as an alternative but they wouldn't be reintroduced by the DOW - they would have to be reintroduced by the Park Service or Dept. of Interior. Although in theory the Federal Agencies could act (under the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution) to reintroduce wolves without seeking state legislative approval - it is very unlikely that they would do this becuase they could not provide assurance that the wolves would stay in the Park (which of course they won't). Trapping elk and moving them from RMNP is not an option because CWD is endemic in the wild population and it would be grossly irresponsible to move animals that may have CWD. Finally - the lynx reintroduction was funded almost entirely by Vail Assocaites and very little sportsmen dollars have gone to the project - and again - a blanket statement that sportsmen don't support species reintroduction is far too broad. Wolf Killer said that Ed Bangs stated that Colorado has viable wolf habitat and that is a correct statement - Bangs said it and "biologically" Colorado has viable wolf habitat. Bangs has never said that wolves should be reintroduced into Colorado. He has talked at length about the potential for wolves to migrate into Colorado from both New Mexico and Wyoming. The DOW is trying to develop a plan to deal with wolves if they migrate, but there are NO plans to reintroduce wolves into Colorado.

Hope I didn't unnecessarily ruffle any feathers - I am ambivalent about them myself but I think everybody should have correct information when you discuss them.

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I have elk hunted in colorado for 2 years now in unit 21. We have seen about a dozen Wolves there. One other problem there is Wild Horses. I just hope the DOW is doing what it needs and not what the damn tree huggin, wool waring,granola eatin,pavement pounding liberals want. Colorado has one of the best DOW's that i can think of and have been doing one heck of a job as far as I think.

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dbcooper I am not a wolf lover. I do however respect Ed Bangs. I would never try to put words in his mouth. I have talked to Mr. Bangs a few times & he was a pleasure to talk to.
Bruce Babbit Cramed wolves down the throats of the good people in Arizona, Wyoming & Montana.
I just wish we all could reach a happy medium. I would be in favor of a dual listing for the wolf. I would protect them in the National parks & Wilderness areas. I would open season on them 24/7, 365-days a year on private land. I would have a controlled hunting season on National forest land.

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if colorado doesnt already have wolves they will very very soon

if not by reintroduction they will migrate

i am not a wolf lover by any means and i stand firmly behind ther being controled

that being said

they have been trapped and relocated from Utah (3 years ago)
this winter there were sightings and confirmed kills of livestock around Rawlins
so like i said if there not there already it is a very short time before they spread to colorado

my suggestion is to shoot them and hide them under the nearest pine tree

my other suggestion is to get the CO DOW to get an effective plan in the works for there management and not get stuck in beurocratic bulsh!^ like wyoming is right now

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That attitude toward the wolves is the exact reason that we are even discussing this in the first place. If we keep that kind of attitude towards animals then there won't be any for us or our kids in the future. That kind of crap has got to stop if we want to get anywhere with this.

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I'm not an expert on this subject by any means but let me tell you what I know from experience in Minnesota here where we've had wolves for many years. First, the department of natural resources has always understated how many wolves we have and my brother has caught them in the act. He asked them one time how many packs there were on a huge lake outside of town. They said just one pack and then he saw them fly over while out ice fishing one day. They circle the packs to study them. He took a cruise on the snowmobile and observed them circling 5 different areas that day. Further complicating the issue is that the US Fish & Wildlife are involved and these animals are considered Federal property. We've been talking about delisting them in Minnesota for a few years now and not much has been done. The Anti's will keep it tied up in the courts if it ever comes to where we might get close to controlling their numbers thru hunting, etc. too. Even if Colorado never introduces them they will get there thru migration sooner or later. I would say...Let's not kid ourselves. Once they are present, the Anti's will make it very tough to be able to control their numbers thru the courts. We are seeing it in Minnesota...

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Someone help me understand the real issue here.

Are wolves the real issue? What I mean is, is a wolf any different than a bear or a cougar? I have never read or seen anything to suggest they kill anymore than they need to consume. That means they don't kill for fun, they are just predators that kill prey to feed.

Or is the Federal government the real issue? I think it is. They should let states have a plan for managing them. You can't put an animal in an ecosystem where everything else is managed but let one animal roam free.

Remember though, we wouldn't be in this mess if everyone would have been responsible in the first place. Sure a man should be able to protect his property and livelihood. It should be legal to kill a wolf caught in the act of hurting livestock. There should be hunting seasons. But man should not be able to kill everyone he sees and then hide them under the next pine tree. Thats ludicrous for a true sportsman to say about a wild animal. What if the local farmers in your area got together and decided that deer were evil cause they ate all thier crops. Then they started killing every deer they saw. Didn't matter if that deer was 20 miles from home. We would have a thread where everyone would chime in and suggest thier punishment should be everything from chinese toture to the electric chair. Why do think the Buffalo are all but gone? Why do you think elk were all but extinct for a time? A true sportsman does care about conservation. Nature is wild and not a big ranch where we get a list of animals and decide what does and does not belong.

Ok the tree-huggers got the politics of wolves screwed up and as sportsman we ought to spearhead that issue. But also as sportsman we should care about conserving wild things and wild places.

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They CAN, WILL & DO KILL FOR FUN. How would you like to watch them kill twelve cow elk only to rip there stomch open and eat the fetus? They did not eat any other part of these elk. This does happen every winter. I have watched them do it and so have other people. When they kill an animal it is not pretty. They do not kill it & then eat it. They cripple it & eat it to death. When a wolf kills two or more elk or deer they are not recorded by the true numbers they kill. They list them as bonus kills. A bonus kill could be two elk or twenty elk???

I myself do not think wolves are the real issue. I think the real issue is control & change. You can not force wolves on people & tell them it is a Federal crime to kill them. Ranchers need to have the power to shoot them. They need to protect there source of income.

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We defintely have a growing wolf population in northern Wisconsin. Yes, they migrated in and continue to grow. Very touchy subject and many emotions running with it. They will definitely take deer numbers down. Actually may be de-listed here soon...similar to MN. The area I am in has two very distinct packs, within a "fairly" close range to each other.

As far as an area having too many yotes as someone mentioned, the wolves will take care of that. Hardly any yotes in our area any more....K9's of different breeds do not mix well, and the wolf will win. We have had quite a few hounds taken in the past recent years by wolves. (that's a whole other story)

If the population continues to grow (many of us beleive it is much higher than our DNR states) then I hope we have a hunt for them....I know I would apply.

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Here in Idaho last year a pack of wolves killed 52 sheep in one night. These sheep along with sheepherders and their dogs spend many months a year on the stock range where we hunt. Do they kill for fun? You bet!!
On the Outdoor Channel it was mentioned one wolf kills a deer or elk every other day. We have aprox. 39 wolves living in our hunting country. Do the math for a year and see if you don''t think it's an issue!!! elknut1

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Cougars and Bears don't run in packs.

The wolf introduced in Wyo. is already in Colorado!

Soon - You will see a reintroduction plan for Colorado that you may not be able to get rid of.

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yes my attitude is strong and based on emotions bigbulls but for good reason if i forced some bullsh!^ tax down your throat without even considering your opinion i could expect that you would feel close to the same way i do about the wolves

think about this last year i lost 37 calves to predators 16 were confirmed to be wolves 21 were unconfirmed therefore no reimbursment
21 500# cows at $.80 a pound $400 a cow $8400
16 500# cows at $.80 a pound $400 a cow $6400
of that $6400 i was reimbursed $1280(market value of weight when killed)

if you look at prices you will see the figures i gave are very low and the actual loss is +or -5% higher
my point being of $14,800 i was reimbursed $1280 in the years preceding 1996 i lost an average of 5 cows a year to predators

so this is where i make the point if you were taxed an extra $13000 a year starting tomorrow(you get no choice in this) and it is going up yearly also. your not going to be a little vengful at me for this new unneeded tax

this is the best way i can explain my irritation with the US F&G and all you wolf lovers
i will do my best to control them on my property no matter what the law says

and as for the deer and elk we fill out damage reports and call the WY G&F and they take care of removing them from haystacks, helping with fences, etc all to help out the sportsman
and in return i recieve a whapping $11 for every ungulate killed and tagged on my property its not much but at least its a plus

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also for all you wolf lovers

if you truly want to look for the truth about wolves look closely to where thay are located and you will find that the people wo love them are not located there thay are like you hundreds of miles away spouting some BS

like
"they are needed in a natural environment" (we made it many years without them)
or
"i am for there reintroduction" (this is usually in some park or national forest, in which they do not stay)
or
"we should preserve all wildlife" (this one just kills me by preserveing wolves your killing thousands of animals)
"I support there reintroduction" (usually meaning it isn't going to cost me a dime and i dont care about the guys whom are trying to make a living in that country)

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Wolf Killer, jjt, Elknut, whitetails & muskies:

Very good points!! It's usually the ones who love them who don't have to live or hunt amongst them for sure. And I know alot of the locals in northern MN are tired of the federal government forcing their ways on them and this is just a prime example of it. I think that all of those anti's and wolf lovers should see a video of what Wolf killer mentioned. I hope that we will soon see them delisted in MN so that they can be hunted but I have a feeling that the anti's will file law suit after law suit and drag it out in court for years to come. I feel bad for any state that has had them forceably introduced.

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Here in Minnesota they should definetaly be delisted. Originally it was thought that a pack needed a huge home range, and wouldn't be able to adapt to living near humans. So most thought the wolves would only stay in the extreme north where there are few people. Well now there are established packs as far south as 1 1/2 hrs north of the Twin Cities. The local farmers should be able to protect their property, and shoot some of these animals. If nothing else, at least they would feel like they had some control of the situation, now it's totally out of their hands. I definately don't want wolves eliminated from MN (I like it that we have a healthy population here) but right now there are too many, and it is irresponsible to not control them like we do with every other animal.

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I hunt near my home in southern Colorado, unit 68, as I have since 1969. I began seeing wolf tracks sometime in the 80's.....can't remember exactly when. After I contacted a DOW officer about my first sighting, he said I had to be mistaken. Two years later I shot the biggest coyote I have ever seen and dropped it on his doorstep.

Ranchers around here are only too sadly aware of the reintroduction of wolves. SSS shoot shovel shutup

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Anyone game for some intellegence or do you all want to run around with your hands in the air crying wolf.

First I am no wolf lover. I don't care about wolves anymore than I care about other wildlife. Wolves are a part of nature and I am a nature fan. Now I am an elk lover.

Second. Based on your rational because I don't live in wolf country you're saying I shouldn't have anything to say about it and I'm only spouting BS. Give me a break. I'm trying to have an intellegent converstaion about it.

Now lets get down to business if there is any intellegence left out there. I have read everything I can get my hands on. Think about this rationally. To kill twelve full grown cow elk in one sitting you would have to have a super pack. Elk are still strong and it takes 2 or 3 wolves to bring one down and a few minutes to kill it by suffocation.

Ok so here goes our little scenario. So a pack of 9 see an elk herd. They break up in groups of 3. Each group attaks the herd and takes down a cow. Thats 3 elk on the ground while. After 2 or 3 minutes and strangling the elk the pack gets back up then after using all that energy they take off after the elk herd that has been running for 3 minutes, they catch up, take down another 3 cows and repeat until they get 12 cows. OK then after all that work they what, drag all the carcasses back to only central area to laugh and take pictures. After which they rip open the stomach of the cow only to feed on the fetus. Yeah that happens all the time I'm sure in wolf packs or maybe these wolves killed a couple of hunters down the road and took thier high powered rifles and just started plucking all the elk off. Its just not possible from a standpoint of rationale, thats info that is not accurate in one way or another. At the very least at the very extreme of the spectrum. I'm sure you guys are all experts in your own right however the real experts say wolves in fact do not kill for fun. They kill to survive and they do in fact consume what they eat. Oh and they target the weak, a necessary balance in nature.

By the way a Tom moutain lion will kill about an average of one deer a week.

Yes wolves roam in packs. But again lets use a little rationality here. If there are only 50 wolves in an area they are not going to kill thousands of animals. I completely agree they should not be protected. They should be hunted, exterminated if causing problems and managed. They should be kept at acceptable levels, they should not be allowed to roam unmanaged. If they start killing too many elk, up the wolf tags until that effect is very minimal. But anyone who thinks they are any different than any other predator has got some studying to do because the experts, you know the people who get paid to do this, say you are wrong.

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would this be the politicians or the earth first bunny huggin biologists

i have talked to many biologists here in wyoming about the wolves you can get just as many different responces as you do on this forum

those who have the reintroduction agenda are pro wolf and tell you they eat everything they kill blah blah blah

those who feed the elk on the feed grounds (i presume that it your 12 elk story) will tell you just the opposite
i beleive the story you are trying to falseify was on the piney feed grounds last year where infact they(8-10 wolves) killed and left several elk to rot the picture that is surfing the internet with them all piled up was done by biologists in an attemp to get them to quit chasing the heard and essently feed the pack and stop them from killing more elk

for every wolf kill it is presumed that 4-6 animals are wounded( i have found data saying as high as 10 and as low as 0-1)most wounded ungulates end up dying from injuries due to infection

it is hard to get factual info on the above statement as i beleive 90% of the info on wolves is skewed one way or the other

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First of all.....elk and deer are here for all to enjoy..not just for "sport hunters" as some of you refer too.

Arguments about keeping nature in balance by only humans hunting them is not viable. Either us humans under hunt or over hunt. Wolf populations will not destroy all of your elk, but ignorance will. Perhaps the government needs to allow hunting in over populated elk areas, just as I agree California has made a mistake with bans on cougar hunts. And if wolves overpopulate, then limited hunting of wolves could be utilized. If wildlife biologists were allowed to do their job, instead of politicians and the unknowing public using thir emotions, we would all be better off.

This coming from a diehard hunter, but a fan of all wildlife. Read the true hisory about wolves killing humans................very very few wolves have ever taken a human life. I think what it boils down to is a few do not want to share the earth. It smells of greed.

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I knew someone would reply with that. I seriously doubt that PHD trained professionals from all over North America got together and conspired to make the evil wolf look like an angel. And I mean poeple who have actually researched them, not just any old biologist.

I suppose some wolves maybe do go off the wall and do strange things. But I do think stories about them mass murdering is either exaggerated or simply in the extreme, definitely not the norm. But then again I've heard some pretty wild grizzly stories too. I even buy that in some areas wolves are out of contol, population too high and consuming too many animals. One thing I do not agree with is protecting them. I think a lot of this wolf "hysteria" comes from the feds giving false info about the effect wolves are having in some areas. I do think the Feds are shoving wolves down peoples throat and thats not right either. And I think the Feds are doing this because of the damn bunny-humpers influence.

But I still think with a management plan to keep populations in check, hunting seasons and people given the right to exterminate problem wolves they are just another predator that belongs in nature.

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first of for someone to spend the time and money to get into this field (wildlife biology) you have to have an agenda or be an extreme animal lover

the only people that make any money in this profession is the government workers because there is a lack of money in the field

so that right there gives you a very skewed set of results in the field

they dont have to get together and conspire thay are all of or near the same mind set

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cougar
here in Wyoming sportsman foot the bill for wildlife thru license fees and the sporting equiptment they buy there is no public tax, no state funds, etc. there fore sportsman and landowners have the biggest say in what, where, when, how, and why they enjoy them.

your correct there are very few human wolf conflicts

however there are plenty of wolf pet conflicts and way to many wolf livestock conflicts

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You need to get up from your computer, drive you car out of the city & watch a wolf kill a elk for yourself.
I watched twelve cow elk on the winter range north of Yellowstone national park get hamstrug by a pack of 17-wolves. The elk could not run away fast enough. The elk were breaking through the crust on the snow. The wolves were not breaking through, they were running on top of it.
The wolves did not take the elk down and sufficate them. They grab ahold of the hamstrings (flank) on the rear leg of the cows and ripped at them with there teeth. Every elk they did this to stopped running. They chased & cripped these elk until they had twelve crippled out of a herd of 250-300 elk. They went back to the elk that were still alive and ripped there stomchs open. The only thing they ate was the fetus. After they ate the fetuses the wolf pack moved on in the direction the herd of elk was headed. I did not follow them to see what happend next. I did walk up to the twelve elk to look at them. I was trying to figure out why they did this? I have been told they will do this type of killing when the snow conditions are right. They said the adult wolves do this to teach there young how to kill.

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I'm not saying the story did or didn't happen. I'm just saying its a freak thing, not a real world analogy of all wolves everywhere. I don't need to get up from my computer and drive anywhere. I can go out in my backyard and watch the neighborhood cat also teach its young how to kill in the same manner. I can watch the discovery channel and watch it. Predators do that.

If I don't respond to any more posts I'm just simply spent on the subject. No sense in arguing with anybody. I will say this though, like I've said a 100 times already. I'm not a wolf lover. I think there ought to be hunting seasons and management plans. Populations should be kept in check. If elk pops start hurting then wolf tag sales should go up. I do feel for anyone paying a tax of any kind for wolves, that would urk me too. The revenue should come from tags. If I saw one taking my cattle, I'd pop one. If one threatened wandered in my camp I probably pop. I just don't feel IMO they are different than any other predator.

Just thought I'd add this quote:
Aldo Leopold wrote,
"Those who understand the role of the predator understand the inner workings and drama of the land itself. You can not love game and hate the predator ... the land is one organism."

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wanna bet!!

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The idea that the people that live in the area affected are the only ones who have a right to express an opinion is unfair. Could someone please tell me how much of each western state is owned by the federal government? If the wolves are on BLM land etc then all americans have a right to decide if wolves belong. I will repeat again that I have nothing wrong with controlling their numbers and think that they should be de-listed in many areas but also hate hearing the only way to deal with them is the three S`s. Maybe the antis will give up on wolves and pressure the government to start darting elk with birth control ( like they`ve done elsewhere).

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Turk Man.........look at who started this thread and in all probability is protesting the most. Outfitters!!!!

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your dead wrong

in your beloved canada that is one of the largest problems i see(the masses controling the rest)

we have states here and states have there rights along with the people who live in them

in the case of wolves the federal government has broken the laws and will soon be in court to battle it out with the state of Wyoming

what the government did was unfair forceing a predatory animal on the people of wyoming montana and idaho all doing so in the name of special interests and it is BS

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For the most part I agree with jjt about this.

The people that live there should have the biggest voice in the matter but they should not be the only voice. Take me, I don't live there yet but I am trying real hard to get there. It may take a while but I would like to have a wolf or two around when I do get there.

The way that this reintroduction was carried out was not in the best intrest the wolf, game animals, or the people that live in the areas.

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I agree with ya but (there's always a but in there) In order for an increase in "predator tags" there would have to be a study done by a Yale edumicated brat before the tags could be issued and that could (probably would) take years.

By the way the term "predator" is found to be offensive by a lawyer/judge down south and thus our "predator" control/delisting effort is headed for the courts.

bigbulls has already chewed me out for being too verbal.

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Hey jjt - You gotta respect the "ALdo man". Read some of his stuff. He wrote an article (and lots of others ) for the North American Hunting Club. I believe the issue was about the North American Elk populations and in his articles he stresses nature conservancy and hunting ethics. Although I could say he "waxed poetic" his view on hunting ethics and preservation is to be admired. We could all learn something from him.

Anyway, I sure hope this wolf thing gets resolved, I hate to think of how much the out of state hunters would lose because some butter brain thinks we need to RE-SOLVE another dead issue.

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What? I wasn't chewing you out at all. We are all meerly having a discussion that can get a little heated at times but we are all still friends here.;)

Sorry you took it that way.

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as long as they keep their numbers under control and allow farmers and ranchers to take care of business when they are having problems with livestock being killed so be it! if i remember right when they reintroduced the mexican wolf in arizona the deal was if a rancher witnessed a wolf killing his livestock he had every legal right to kill the wolf on the spot, as it should be. what about the anti hunting tree huggers? they are allowed to breed and overpopulate and prey on poor hunters ( just like wolves do to wildlife and livestock ) aint nobody out to do the sss `s to them and keep their population under control. im more worried about them than i am of wolves.

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No matter how many "new wolf threads" are started, no matter how long the threads last, it STILL always ends up with the SAME story!! Those who don't want the wolves retroduced, have seen FIRST HAND what they are like!! AND, those that want them, have NEVER lived with them!!! All they do is spout second hand data and stories!!!

I lived around them for a LONG time, and i REPEAT, once you have them established, unless you live in town, you won't like them around!!!!

Drilling Man

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All bow to the great DM. Because he is all knowing and every one else hasn't got a clue.

Please spare us all of your holier than thou BS.

Should we shed a tear for all of the horrible acts of nature that you have witnessed? Please. It's nature and that's the way it goes, get over it. No matter how long you have lived in the "BUSH" you have not even scrached the surface of what really goes on out in the wilds of nature.