Grizzly Bears
02-05-2002, 10:44 PM
#141
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Grizzly Bears
Surestrike - I don't doubt you for a minute. I saw the article, read it, and thought it might have some revelance to the "from squirrels to elephants" debate. I have zero experience with bears, I admit that up front. Just adding to the conversation .....
02-05-2002, 11:30 PM
#142
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Grizzly Bears
I WONDER IF TUSSEY STILL CHECKS THIS THREAD I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT HIM WANTING TO GO ON A BROWN BEAR UNT, NOT BLAIN AND HIS BUCKSHOT. DON'T GET ME WRONG I FIND IT FUNNY THAT THIS DEBATE WILL NEVER END TELL EITHER HE SHOWS US, OR HE IS KILLED.
02-05-2002, 11:40 PM
#143
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Grizzly Bears
Look it is a FACT that buck**** is very powerful at close range, how the heck can you compare buckshot to a .22? That is INSULTING, there is NO comparison, absolutely none. I would like the name and date of that black bear magazine, as I would like to purchase it.
So you trained for UFC, eh? Maybe I should inform you that I have trained several times with Dan "THE BEAST" Severn... naw, let you find that out on your own
Bottom line is buckshot is more then powerful enough to do the job, you don't like it? Too bad that's the truth.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
So you trained for UFC, eh? Maybe I should inform you that I have trained several times with Dan "THE BEAST" Severn... naw, let you find that out on your own
Bottom line is buckshot is more then powerful enough to do the job, you don't like it? Too bad that's the truth.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
02-06-2002, 12:29 AM
#144
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Spring Valley Illinois USA
Posts: 68
RE: Grizzly Bears
I hate to say it guys but Blain is right.
This one time time while I was at band camp we were walking in the woods. We came up on this HUGE Griz which was reading a wet telephone book. With one shot the telephone book was history. I blasted the bear with a second shot (armor preicing round) and nothing. The bear had it's force field up causing a miss. Thank goodness that Dan "The Beast" was there to scare the bear away.
Sorry guys (including Blain) this post is just too funny! Thanks for the fun.
Blain relax, you can have your own opinion and it doesn't have to be the same as mine or ANYONE elses.
This one time time while I was at band camp we were walking in the woods. We came up on this HUGE Griz which was reading a wet telephone book. With one shot the telephone book was history. I blasted the bear with a second shot (armor preicing round) and nothing. The bear had it's force field up causing a miss. Thank goodness that Dan "The Beast" was there to scare the bear away.
Sorry guys (including Blain) this post is just too funny! Thanks for the fun.
Blain relax, you can have your own opinion and it doesn't have to be the same as mine or ANYONE elses.
02-06-2002, 10:55 AM
#146
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fairfield CA USA
Posts: 142
RE: Grizzly Bears
Thats hilarious, DeerThug, truly hilarious. I was always told that bears did something else in the woods, but I guess they read phonebooks, or maybe they wipe with them?
Blain, we all have pictures with Dan Severn, mine happen to be with him at a local strip club after a "fight". Actually the fight was the worst one of the night as it was pure paycheck only fight, he was fighting his buddy Pat Milichek. I'm glad the other fights were good because it was really weak, neither was really serious in the octagon.
Anyway, I digress... I'm sure you're an incredible hand to hand fighter especially if they just tightened your braces. Nothing meaner than a teenager with sore teeth. I knew you couldn't pass up the UFC bit, easy pickins, my son, easy pickins.
Hey what about the halibut, salmon and bear Uncle Thad? I could trade if for geese, ducks, sturgeon, and hogs (I'll even throw in a coyote). All with buck**** if you like, beeehaha.
What is the size difference between the big griz and the polars? How much different is the brisket and skull structures?
Blain, we all have pictures with Dan Severn, mine happen to be with him at a local strip club after a "fight". Actually the fight was the worst one of the night as it was pure paycheck only fight, he was fighting his buddy Pat Milichek. I'm glad the other fights were good because it was really weak, neither was really serious in the octagon.
Anyway, I digress... I'm sure you're an incredible hand to hand fighter especially if they just tightened your braces. Nothing meaner than a teenager with sore teeth. I knew you couldn't pass up the UFC bit, easy pickins, my son, easy pickins.
Hey what about the halibut, salmon and bear Uncle Thad? I could trade if for geese, ducks, sturgeon, and hogs (I'll even throw in a coyote). All with buck**** if you like, beeehaha.
What is the size difference between the big griz and the polars? How much different is the brisket and skull structures?
02-06-2002, 01:01 PM
#148
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: , Alaska USA
Posts: 89
RE: Grizzly Bears
MATTITO:
Thanks for the vote of confidence...just so you know, I'm a trained fighter. I trained with Grizzly Adams, and O'l Moe (the guy who took on the brownie with a pocket knife) <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
If one is to maintain one's reputation as a true Alaskan, one must have at least one freezer that is always full of fish and game.
I, desperately needing to feed my ego, and feel superior to the "average" Alaskan, went out and bought TWO large freezers! I keep both of them full of salmon, halibut, moose, caribou, sheep, and the occasional bear.
Consequently, anyone that hunts with me, ends up with a some of the above, and must leave a contribution paying homage to the ego boosting freezers.
The Polar Bear is the largest carnivore on land. He too can be killed with substandard weaponry, but you had better have a pack of sled dogs at your disposal when doing it.
I have a friend from Kaparuk security who was involved with an incident on the Slope a while back.
The polar bear, in its never ending quest for food, had come upon a building that had food smells in it. While the men inside where lounging around, it decided to see what was for dinner, and blithely broke the window, and climbed in.
Working for a Politically Correct company, the men inside did not have proper weapons do defend themselves, and thus were at the mercy of the bear...except for one rebellious new arrival, who had just happened to smuggle his 12 gauge loaded with slugs (sorry Blain), into the facility.
The shotgun was propped up against the wall in his bedroom, and he had to get by the bear, while it was eating on his friend, and then he had to lay down low on the floor to shoot the bear, so that slug would travel upward, thus minimizing the chance of hitting the bears dinner.
The 12 gauge with SLUGS did the job, and lives were saved.
That's the mentality of the Polar Bear, it is a hunter, and man is just another form of protein...like seal and beluga whale, but hopefully, with les fat
When you combine this with it's musculature and density, it becomes a formidable opponent. If you can ever get a hold of the video "Man Hunter" which is about a bow hunt for a polar bear, by dogsled, it will shed a lot of light on the subject for you.
In my estimation, a fight between an average Polar Bear and an average Griz, unlikely though it may be, would not last long. The Polar bear would win. When you start bringing the large coastal browies into the arena, the Polar Bear will have a harder time of it, but will still prevail in the end.
I don't have specific skull or brisket dimensions for you, but hopefully you get the idea.
Blain:
The comparison between buck shot and a .223, is a very apt one, when speaking of defense weapons against grizzly bears. Both are inadequate...though I'll give you that the buck shot is a bit more potent than a .223, unless it's on full auto, with a large capacity mag...But isn't kinda like fantasizing?
Superstrike:
You sound like a man that knows his stuff. I agree whole heartedly about a pistols role in bear country. I too use a .44 mag (may be switching to a 454 soon) for defense against bears, only because it is the most powerful thing that I wish to carry every where I go while in the woods.
Your 320 gr load sounds exactly like the one I use.
<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> If You Ain't Hunted Alaska, You're Still Just Practicing <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
Thanks for the vote of confidence...just so you know, I'm a trained fighter. I trained with Grizzly Adams, and O'l Moe (the guy who took on the brownie with a pocket knife) <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
If one is to maintain one's reputation as a true Alaskan, one must have at least one freezer that is always full of fish and game.
I, desperately needing to feed my ego, and feel superior to the "average" Alaskan, went out and bought TWO large freezers! I keep both of them full of salmon, halibut, moose, caribou, sheep, and the occasional bear.
Consequently, anyone that hunts with me, ends up with a some of the above, and must leave a contribution paying homage to the ego boosting freezers.
The Polar Bear is the largest carnivore on land. He too can be killed with substandard weaponry, but you had better have a pack of sled dogs at your disposal when doing it.
I have a friend from Kaparuk security who was involved with an incident on the Slope a while back.
The polar bear, in its never ending quest for food, had come upon a building that had food smells in it. While the men inside where lounging around, it decided to see what was for dinner, and blithely broke the window, and climbed in.
Working for a Politically Correct company, the men inside did not have proper weapons do defend themselves, and thus were at the mercy of the bear...except for one rebellious new arrival, who had just happened to smuggle his 12 gauge loaded with slugs (sorry Blain), into the facility.
The shotgun was propped up against the wall in his bedroom, and he had to get by the bear, while it was eating on his friend, and then he had to lay down low on the floor to shoot the bear, so that slug would travel upward, thus minimizing the chance of hitting the bears dinner.
The 12 gauge with SLUGS did the job, and lives were saved.
That's the mentality of the Polar Bear, it is a hunter, and man is just another form of protein...like seal and beluga whale, but hopefully, with les fat
When you combine this with it's musculature and density, it becomes a formidable opponent. If you can ever get a hold of the video "Man Hunter" which is about a bow hunt for a polar bear, by dogsled, it will shed a lot of light on the subject for you.
In my estimation, a fight between an average Polar Bear and an average Griz, unlikely though it may be, would not last long. The Polar bear would win. When you start bringing the large coastal browies into the arena, the Polar Bear will have a harder time of it, but will still prevail in the end.
I don't have specific skull or brisket dimensions for you, but hopefully you get the idea.
Blain:
The comparison between buck shot and a .223, is a very apt one, when speaking of defense weapons against grizzly bears. Both are inadequate...though I'll give you that the buck shot is a bit more potent than a .223, unless it's on full auto, with a large capacity mag...But isn't kinda like fantasizing?
Superstrike:
You sound like a man that knows his stuff. I agree whole heartedly about a pistols role in bear country. I too use a .44 mag (may be switching to a 454 soon) for defense against bears, only because it is the most powerful thing that I wish to carry every where I go while in the woods.
Your 320 gr load sounds exactly like the one I use.
<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> If You Ain't Hunted Alaska, You're Still Just Practicing <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
02-06-2002, 01:34 PM
#149
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: USA United States USA
Posts: 123
RE: Grizzly Bears
You know Severn? Yeah right he is no the kind to go to strip clubs, he blushes at like the smallest things. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is, BSer. Show us all the pic which supposedly shows you and Severn (yea right) in a strip club. If you can't back that up then you are turly just a BSing kid out for a little fun as we all know you are. Do you even have any amature titles? Want'a be hunter/fighter. You ain't nothing but a BSing fool.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
02-06-2002, 02:20 PM
#150
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Spring Valley Illinois USA
Posts: 68
RE: Grizzly Bears
Okay- ya asked for proof....I'm telling ya the truth about band camp.
http://www.geocities.com/thunderheadpro/bandcamp.html
Edited by - DeerThug on 02/06/2002 15:26:24
http://www.geocities.com/thunderheadpro/bandcamp.html
Edited by - DeerThug on 02/06/2002 15:26:24