Questions about hunting blacktail does in CA.
 

I am a resident of California, age 50. I want to hunt blacktail does only in California. I want to hunt them under the following circumstances:


1. with at least one dog present
2. with a modern scoped rifle and lead bullets
3. during daylight hours
4. in any zone that permits the above criteria
5. on any PUBLIC land
6. without a paid guide
7. on foot and not in a vehicle

Is doing all of the above in a lawful manner possible in CA?

Besides a resident license, what types of tags are need to harvest blacktail does, specifically, in CA?

How may I get such tags?

Why do you keep asking so many questions that can be answered just by looking up things on the internet? Maybe start on this one by looking all the regs up on the CA G&F website for a starter!

I just emailed the Director of the CA Dept. of F and G with all these questions.

I figured some experience CA doe hunters might be helpful. The regs are very complex for me to understand and are not clear to me on some points.

Short answer is no. It's buck only in CA.

Troll alert............

I spent 3 years stationed in the Land of the Looney early in my Navy career. Back then, the only places it was legal to hunt does was on the military bases because they could set their own rules and didn't have to go through the state and could go by the recommendations of the base biologist.

CA hunting rules are so screwed up I wouldn't spend 2 cents to hunt there. As far as I know it is the only place in the nation where the individual counties can set regs.

I'm not so sure about that... The CA DFG sets the rules for the State. I've never once seen any county Regs concerning hunting.

Not for does. Look it up in the regs, under the info for each county it will state whether or not the taking of antlerless deer is legal.. I even had a CA Game Warden out by Placerville tell me that the individual counties are allowed to regulate the taking of does. CA has the most screwed up deer herd on a statewide basis I ever saw. I'm betting I saw at least 80-100 does for every buck I saw during the season. I've hunted in many states and never once seen that anywhere else.

CA could have some great hunting but they have let the LIBs screw that up just like they screwed up everything else in that place.

I'll look it up again but I'm 99% sure our county doesn't have any game laws, I know they don't enforce any game laws.

Maybe CalHunter will see this and chime in.

Yep, there are definitely too many does. I've talked to a biologist in Wyoming that said we need to start shooting does too.

I looked around a bit and can't find any county regs, can you send me a link? It would be really hard to figure out because a lot of the deer zones encompass multiple counties and if each county had different regs it would be impossible to enforce.

Why not "Google it"!!!

Lol you're the google and wiki master not me!

I thought that would get a little rise out of you, LOL!!!

Seriously tho, I've googled it and asked different people with no luck.

Back when I was stationed in CA (1990-1993) the back pages of the big game regulations listed the rules and regs by counties and had a blurb after each one that stated the county regulated the taking of antlerless deer and whether the taking of them was legal. Plus like I said, I had a game warden also confirm it.Back when I was there, the military bases didn't have to get any approval from any county legislatures which is why they allowed the taking of does.

Admittedly, that was more than 20 years ago. I have no idea what CA does now since I swore my shadow will never fall on that state again when I left there on 03 Dec 1993. But I do know it is still nearly impossible to take a doe and if the Game Dept wanted them taken they could get the regs amended to allow it. Since they either don't or can't my money is on the fact that the Game Dept can't simply allow the taking of does.

You could always send an email to the game dept simply asking why the taking of does isn't allowed. Personally, it doesn't matter to me one way or another since I've shot my last blacktail in CA. If I want another one I'll head to OR, WA or AK. CA has absolutely nothing I need or want.

I'm guessing it must've changed then. I can't find anything on it, nor do any LEO's I know know anything or Fish and Game Instructors.

Just speculating here...

In KS, the number of doe possible to hunt varies by DMU, deer management unit. In some areas, these units are just one or two counties.

Now, all of that is set up by the state, but it varies from unit to unit.

Is it possible that CA's county by county regs are similar to that? It may vary by county, but could potentially still be managed by the state.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/deer/veto.html

Here's part of the answer. It's convoluted in CA. Or as Flags put it (paraphrased of course), CA is messed up. :happy0001:

And here's another part.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunti.../comments.html

As I said, which CalHunter just validated, the counties control the doe hunting and not the Dept of Game and Fish since they have veto authority over the Dept of Game and Fish. Just one more reason not to set foot in the Land of the Looney ever again!

From what I can gather, no the counties don't control the doe hunts they just have a choice to allow DFG to have a doe hunt in their county. A county can't set up a doe hunt on their own, it has to originate from DFG. But, it is a good idea letting local communities manage their own land/herd don't you think? :poke:

Did you bother to read the 2 links that Calhunter provided? They explicitly state that the counties can veto what the Dept of Fish and Game tries to do. That means they control doe hunting since even if the Dept of Fish and Game biologists say they need to do a doe hunt some idiot member of a county commission can say no. The same link also notes that CA Dept of Fish and Game wants to do more doe hunts but they don't even suggest them due to the fact the counties can veto them. Therefore, even the most clueless individual has to see that it is the counties and not the Dept of Fish and Game that decides if you can take a doe.

As to local control, I guess if you want some idiot on a county commission with no training or education in wildlife management deciding what you can hunt, then you will like it. As for me, I want trained biologists making those decision instead of a housewife from Burbank that sits on a county commission.

And you wonder why the rest the country laughs at CA and the people from there. Do us all a favor and stay there so you don't pollute the res the country with your screwed up ways.

Still throwing out the personal insults huh flags?

That's all he knows and has been trained to do his entire life. Maybe now that he's retired he will have to make some decisions himself and realize being a doosh doesn't get you very far in real life.

Like I said, an individual county can't set up a doe hunt on their own, the DFG must initiate the process...

Of course the DFG is going to say they want to do more doe hunts but then blame the Counties for not letting them. I'll ask my county supervisor (good friends with him) just how many doe hunts our county has declined that DFG has proposed...I'm guessing the answer will be zero.

Flags---The more I see some of these posts contradicting the obvious information in those links Cal posted, I wonder if a certain person out there can add 2+2 and come up with the correct answer, LOL!

Nope. Just pointing out the obvious. I don't think you can point out any real insult. Just noting the rest the nation laughs at the fools from Cali. Didn't you used to live there? If Cali was so great then why did you immigrate to my native CO? It really doesn't surprise me that someone born in MA and that lived in CA for a few decades will be a little confused about simple topics.

By the way, didn't you say you were leaving? I seem to remember you posting something about it.

Let me guess, you're a product of the Cali education system aren't you?

I'm no more from California than you are. You lived there for three years, because of your job. I did too. I was a truck driver that was based in Ca. i was never home. It's not where i'm from. I was born and brought up in Mass. I also lived in mass the whole time I was married.

I came to Colorado every year for a month to hunt no matter where I lived. That's more time than you have hunting in Colorado. Aren't you leaving Colorado?



As for your insults to jeepkid? First you called him clueless. Then this is your quote:

"And you wonder why the rest the country laughs at CA and the people from there. Do us all a favor and stay there so you don't pollute the res the country with your screwed up ways."


As for me leaving? I did for quite awhile. A few guys asked me to come back, so I did.

So, rather that jumping into the middle of a pissing contest, why don't you actually post on topic. Why can't hunters shoot does in CA? The reason is, as CalHunter noted, that the individual counties have VETO Authority over the DFG. Problem is, JeepKid can't quite seem to grasp that concept even though CalHunter was good enough to post links that validate it. and the links he posted were published after I left the place which means the same policies in place when I was there didn't get changed despite jeepKid claiming I was wrong. CalHunter verified what I stated.

I'll call my buddy today. I was down south in Simi Valley all weekend, which I should add has more businesses in that one town then all of your "native Colorado".

And yes, Calhunter verified what you said and also what I said. I never said you were wrong, just that I hadn't heard of that and wanted you to provide some more information about it.

Like I said, pretty hard for a county to Veto something that is never even brought to the table.

Your problem flags is you like to put everybody in neat little boxes.

It's a good thing everybody in Colorado isn't like you. You must be from the Denver area.

You don't own Colorado.

Here's a question for you flags, and then we can drop this.

Describe the person from California that has ruined Colorado, and then tells us how they did it.

I just got off the phone with our District Supervisor and nope DFG has never approached them about doing a doe management hunt. So like I said and was correct about, it doesn't matter if a county has Veto authority or not if the issue is never even brought to the table to veto.

The "rest of the country" has a right to laugh at CA as our pols and much of our government & laws are pretty silly if not downright stupid. However, I could also go through just about every other state and point out similar local government and local voting stupidity on one level or another. Want proof? Consider these "gems."

Vermont and Maine allow people incarcerated in prison to vote while they are serving time. Crazy huh?
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.r...ourceID=000286

Florida prohibits you from singing in a public place while wearing a bathing suit (that would never happen on Spring Break, right?), skateboard without a license (CA doesn't have such a requirement), fart in a public place after 6pm (guess you're at risk for lunch) or shower naked (even CA doesn't have shower police).
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/florida

How about Colorado though. Colorado recently voted to make marijuana legal and is trying to catch up with CA and NY on anti gun laws. It's also illegal to modify the weather without getting permission from adjoining states (must be some kind of mad scientist problem). A gallon of ice cream must weigh 4 & 1/2 pounds. And in Aspen, Colorado (snow capital of the world), it's apparently a crime to throw a snowball at a person or building (they must have feelings too).
http://realstrangelaws.com/dumb-laws/colorado/

IIRC, Flags, weren't you considering retiring in North Carolina or Alabama? If so, consider this:

In North Carolina, you have to pay a $3 tax on all "new white goods" brought into the state (whatever that is). You have to cook garbage before you feed it to swine (apparently this is different in NC from the rest of the country) and in Transylvania county, NC, a Dalmatian is considered a "potentially dangerous" breed of dog. I'm not sure why, maybe because they ride on fire trucks. Interestingly, pit bulls, wolves and other dog breeds aren't "potentially dangerous." Go figure.
http://realstrangelaws.com/dumb-laws/northcarolina/

In Alabama (terrific group by the way), if you spend more than 4 minutes in the voting booth, you can be asked to hurry up. It's illegal to play dominoes in pool halls in counties having less than 56, 500 population or more than 59K population (you just know there has to be one county that keeps careful track of its' county pop or else they'd have to get the law modified (AGAIN). Bear wrestling is illegal (there must have been some epidemic or something) and it's also illegal to "surgically alter a wrestling bear" but apparently not for a non-wrestling bear. ??????
http://realstrangelaws.com/dumb-laws/alabama/

This has been kind of tongue in cheek but I think you get the idea. Stupidity and silliness isn't confined to any particular state. I'm sure California's problem of large liberal population centers outnumbering and outvoting rural conservative areas is likely replicated in most other states. Consider Colorado for instance. I'd bet that all of their recent stupid anti gun and marijuana laws are the product of large, liberal, urban (city) areas with lots of native libs and lots or liberal transplants voting. It's kind of the same with California. Yes, at one time, LOTS of people moved TO California and then screwed it up for the rest of us. :wink::happy0001:

Don't forget it's illegal to catch rain water on your own property in Colorado.

Yes and I think some guy is catching grief over making a pond although that happens in a lot of states.

You can't even catch a bucket of water.

That question can't be answered since it wasn't done by any one person. It was done by a couple of million people that changed it from a conservative state to the liberal state it is now.

30 years ago you could never have got that gun control B.S. pushed through. in 1992 the displaced idiots from CA were successful in eliminating the spring bear hunt and most trapping. As they came in they drove up property taxes because they sold property in CA and had to buy in CO and they had more $$$ than brains. I know a rancher in Glenwood Springs that sold a transplant a couple of acres for the view of MT. Sopris for a high amount because the transplant kept hounding him. The county then taxed the entire ranch at that value and a long time family ranch was ruined because some idiot wanted a view.

You say you visited CO for years before you moved there. Are you really trying to tell me that you don't see a difference in the state in that timeframe? You're either blind or a liar if you don't and it ain't changed for the better.

And, I'm from the town of Peetz in Logan County and that isn't anywhere near Denver. Nice try.

By the way, I still notice you really don't have anything relevant to say about the topic of shooting blacktail does in the Land of Fruits, Flakes and Nuts. Guess you don't know much about it.

As to this:
Did you notice in the link CalHunter provided that the DFG often doesn't approach counties because they know it will be politically unpopular and they can't get it approved? That is another example of the counties deciding if a hunter can take a doe. Has your county ever asked for a doe hunt or are they willing to simply control the system? Didn't you say earlier there are too many does? So, why can't you hunt one? Because the county doesn't want you to.

Just the answer I was looking for. Now I can make my point.

Do you think someone who's been hunting all his life fits your description of the Californian who ruined Colorado? Of course I don't, or anybody else who's on a hunting forum who'd a hunter.

Yet, you like to group anybody from California in one group. Pretty damn sad.

Yes, i've noticed what happened to Colorado over the years. I'm a bear hunter, and would love the spring season back. I still love it here, and have no desire to live anywhere else. I have friends here i've known for over 50 years.


I'm talking to you in this thread. Not the OP, so I have nothing to say on the topic. Sue me for the hijack.

I may regret this later, but here goes.

That's a bit of a red herring, though, isn't it? I'm pretty sure the rancher wasn't forced or coerced to sell; he very well could have kept refusing. Do they not have restraining orders in Colorado? Surely at the very least he should have asked a lawyer or CPA or realtor if it might possibly affect his tax assessment. So I'm not sure this is a good example of "more money than brains" on the part of the buyer. Maybe, but also "more land than brains" on the part of the rancher, surely. Who can fault a person wanting a piece of land with a view? Since when is that a dumb thing to want? Such a thing is certainly not unique to Californians. Isn't this about the same as "Pike's Peak or Bust"?

As for Alabama, we're pretty screwed up -- although it's the conservatives who have done it, in the name of making things "better". Our legislators... Well, in the interest of avoiding libel or slander, I'll stop with "I don't think their ideas are wise." Which just goes to show no state is perfect, not California, not Colorado, and not Alabama. I'm willing to bet other parts of the country are the same way.

I certainly never expected Colorado to pass the gun laws they did. I can see the California influence in that.

It hasn't affected me directly yet, but I don't like the direction it's going.